Streaming
Makes sense, the whole world, tempting, my friend did it for a few years, quite happily. Now: he is back to LP's and CDs.
At 73 years old, I know myself, it's not for me. I'm hands on.
I stream in my office, enough to find new artists, then I look for Vinyl, some New, often Used, Near Mint, Very Good+, have never been disappointed. If no vinyl, if highly desirable, a used CD, new CD if only new available,
5,000 CD's; 6500 LPs: discover/rediscover on system sounding better than ever.
I only do focused listening, never background except Pandora in the office.
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Just keep an eye out for any cd player with a coax digital output...have four of them all purchased for less than $20 at local Goodwills. My latest is a brand new Sony DVP-NS90V CD/SACD single disc I found in Seattle for $7. Combined with a Topping E-30 which I believe retails new for $130 I get outstanding performance. I too enjoy physical audio and have a vast collection of CDs and vinyl.
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elliottbnewcombjr,
I understand; your comment, "New/Used. I much prefer getting/keeping older stuff going. For everyone who thinks new is better, someone else swears by used," clarifies it for me. Enjoy the hunt!
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Never mention budget, but given recent purchases my next comment likely irrelevant … I decided to splurge and upgrade to my (hopefully) final CDP, and very happy with my Sony SA-KI Ruby (and I also use as DAC and stream from Bluesound Vault 2i) |
High value/performance for CD : Jay’s Audio. I was in the same boat as you last year. Two versions, transport only and one with built in DAC. I was skeptical about buying direct from a Chinese co. But, my experience was excellent. Jays uses a single distributor I think out of Singapore. Communication was excellent- better than most dealers in the US! I got the transport and run it into my old msb Dac - couldn’t be happier. That was an upgrade from my also very nice for the day Cary Audio CD player. Last year it was 2500/3000 w Dac. Good luck |
I am not sure why this is so common.
The OP asks about CD players and says that the ones he has tried are Onkyo changers and a used Denon that cost him $52 on Ebay.
One of the responses he gets is to look at a Bricasti M1 DAC at $9,000 and another suggests a $4,000 PS Audio transport.
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Use a DAC.
In these two players I just bought, I have chosen which dual sets of built-in DAC's I want to try. That was the selection process.
Denon: Burr Brown
Integra: Wolfson
And, I want to hear the 'House Sound' of Denon or Integra in those respective years, That may be perceptibly different, and then, if so, Preferred?
i.e. "It's what you do with/to the bits that makes a difference".
"To say the difference is Quite Small is an Understatement"
"Famous Vintage DACs are Overhyped". "Everything is Overhyped".
"Demanding Audiophiles are Never Satisfied".
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New/Used. I much prefer getting/keeping older stuff going. For everyone who thinks new is better, someone else swears by used.
Denon 2910 arrived, took the cover off, looks 1 minute old, not a speck of dust, everything pristine except the dent in the top which I could care less about. Drawer movement smooth.
Recognized SACD or CD automatically.
Immediately sounded Bass Heavy, I read the manual, prior owner had 'Bass Enhancer' ON. Found out how, did a factory reset, that problem gone,
1st impression, grabbed Tierney Sutton SACD out of the Sony, 2 favorite tracks, terrific, had to go to airport to pick up Donna, so no real listening or comparison yet. Has 'Pure Direct' like the Oppos, others, cuts out the video circuitry and display circuitry.
Takes a long time to load/read the index, then the fastest individual track selection ever, and no need to press play, just press 6, bingo it starts playing, I absolutely love that.
Listening for real commences this evening.
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That Douglas_Schroeder guy is correct. I(very) recently upgraded my Bryston cdp-3 to a T+A Tubed player. The difference is quite amazing. Although the Bryston is a fine player, it simply is not in the same league. I was looking at the Project transport with a seperate DAC or the Ayon CD-10, when I saw the T+A on the TMR site.By far, this is the best of the players I have owned. |
@douglas_schroeder,
+ 10! An excellent and honest/bluntly put assessment. You rarely if ever see forum threads where people try to take a very cheap route assembling an analogue turntable system. They know it’s a futile effort and poor quality sound is the outcome.
For some unfounded (Misguided?) reason there’s a belief amongst some that digital is simply abouts ’bits, 0 and 1', as though nothing else impacts what is heard. Any old CD player will get the job done mindset. . This superficial and shallow attitude overlooks the numerous factors that distinguish genuine high quality digital components from junk.
The competency of manufacturing, engineering, design, part quality and implementation of transports/streamers/DAC are critical aspects to address if one truly wants to obtain high levels of digital sound quality. Same approach and commitment as analogue requires, otherwise you are just aimlessly wandering with no pathway toward success.
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ghdprentice, +1
Oh, yeah, NAK deck. Still have my CR-1A, which was down the line, but WOW did that deck destroy the other purportedly great competitors! At times I think I should pull it out and experiment with recording CDs on cassette again. I find it hard to justify the time involved to do so. I already know that I can’t get superior sound from it. Years of mix tapes making couldn’t outperform the straight CD sound. Close, but not quite.
elliotbnewcombjr,
You keep going cheap, so you are not close to higher end sound. You’re not getting close to what is attainable from CD. On the spectrum of performance you keep wasting your money playing on the low end. If that’s your goal, fine. But don’t think you’re really getting somewhere. At least in regard to your source, you’re not doing HiFi, but MidFi.
You shared this:99.9999 copper speaker wires and interconnects, locking rca connectors, mx110z tube tuner/preamp overhaul by Audio Classics; cayin a88t bias by VAS; 16 ohm L-Pads replacing 8 ohm pots; and finally a I bought a sound meter to balance/refine the speaker’s L-Pads (it ain’t easy) for the best sound ever.
Ok, fine. Won't get you supreme CD sound when your source is so compromised. All those changes may be efficacious, but don't fool yourself that you're close to what can be done with digital.
Are you trying to be cheap about this because you have no money for it, or are you thinking you’re smarter than everyone else and will get supreme sound for a dime? If it’s the first, no issues and have fun flipping gear! You realize you have limited resources and are having fun with it. If I were constrained thus I would do the same. However, if it’s the second, you are fooling yourself and would be an example of my principle; the greatest impediment to advancing an audio system is the audiophile.
Do you have any idea of what it takes to get into better digital sound? I owned that Denon 2910 at some point in my history of digital. Several people politely have tried to tell you that you should add a DAC. Translated that means you are using MidFi gear and need to completely change your approach, i.e. PUT MORE MONEY INTO IT! Those old players and changers would be awful transports relatively, but at least getting an outboard DAC with them would help. My transport is a Musical Fidelity that I got for $700 and it gets paired with DACs costing thousands. I ran comparisons to CDPs up to $10K. I suspect that if you are using sub-$100 components, you are using stock cables. Oh, man, you are slaughtering the sound, just ruining it with your methods. If you have the means to do better and are being "thrifty", I will be blunt. Keep it up and you will have excluded yourself from the upper end of the spectrum permanently. :(
You are a long away from excellent CD sound. Unless someone tells you candidly, I suspect you won’t believe it. You likely won’t believe me, even though I have been an audiophile using the discs for 30+ years and reviewing, comparing first CDPs and then transports and DACs for 14 years, building systems from about $10K to $100K. Perhaps someone brainwashed you into thinking you’re getting all that with cheap gear and digital. Not even close; you’re pretty far down the performance spectrum. Make no serious move and you will spend the rest of your life hearing mediocre digital sound.
Perhaps I missed it somewhere in discussion; if you are budgetarily constrained, no problem. Work in your zone of system building capability. But, if you could do better, stop wasting your life and money on bargain bin components! I used to be like that, thinking I could cobble together an awesome result that way. It was ridiculous, and shop owners from whom I scavenged bargains knew it. But, it’s almost impossible to convince someone who thinks they’re genius by being thrifty.
As for our hard core objectivists who may wish to argue with me. Don’t bother; I do not care about your opinion on this matter. :)
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Project rs2 transport top loader wired i2s (hdmi) into project rs2 dac
Made me list my arcam cds50.... Chord qutest
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Consider a Rega CD player....they can be purchased for a decent price and should be reliable. |
Try an external DAC with Ultra Analog D20400 or D20400A chip with PLL clocking. Some of these DACs can be expensive and also very rare. There are several models available from Sonic Frontiers (SFD1 and SFD2), Audio Research (DAC1, DAC1-20, DAC2), and Parasound (D/AC 2000) for modest pricing.
UA D20400 is probably the best R2R DAC ever made even better than Burr Brown PCM63 or PCM1704 in some areas. If you do a search, you will see some of the best DACs from top manufacturers used one of the three DAC chips. As an analog fan, you will immediately notice the similarities. |
(-1) on the Audiolab: Stay away from the Audiolab transport, great sound when it worked, but I had severe issues with the slot loader...Free advice..
Cheers |
Or, just get a Rega top loader and be done with it. I've had many players and transports, Disk trays, slot loader, most had issues. I have settled on a modded Rega Planet 2000, very happy with it and no issues...Solidly built and pretty good sound ( I love the Rega sound signature). Just my opinion which means nada...
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+3 (or 4, 5, 6, I lost track) on the Audiolab 6000CDT plus a DAC.
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GeorgeHiFi a while ago we had several examples of the actual CD ripped VS streaming of the same titles one off the top of my head Dennis Drakes remaster of Ella Fitzgerald Clap Hands probably according to many that know about it the best sounding of any other reissue ever done ,
The streaming issues available weren’t this one that’s for sure. As for appreciating a more realistic human pitch and timbre I was disappointed with the Holo Audio May KTE dac that no mater what , cable chances even another system a lot better then my couldn’t produce human timbre the other dac could perhaps the May being a R2R has something to do with it the other being a FPGA topology, maybe ,..
I remember that first track we used in the comparison, a random selection of a CD sampler, ,,..I’m not a fan of samplers anyway it was a ripped DALI Volume 5 Title Thirty Five Years the track by Caroline Henderson , Be Here Now ,..This is an exceptionally well done recording,.her pitch and timbre are absolutely stunning with the other dac ,
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I agree that an external DAC + transport is a good, cost-effective option. I'm using a Cambridge Audio CXC-V2 with a Mytek and it sounds quite good. The Cambridge Audio CXC seems very well built and (reportedly) has good customer service/warranty.
As another poster wrote, it might be best to avoid used players. Repairs are costly and parts are limited to sometimes non-existent (unlike turntables, for example).
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I love my Oppo BD 105 Blu-ray player!
I have both my subs connected to it and use the Oppo's built in DSP to control them
I have a portable hard drive connected to it to access 100's of songs Oh and l use it to watch moves on my 5.1 system, play CD's & SACD I have it connected (spdif) to my external DAC (Exogal Comet Plus) for better sound quality
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I don’t know what happens to the Bryston BCD-3 now that its chip manufacturer has burned down, but I can vouch that the player is superlative and at a slip under four grand a worthy value. I LOVE it. What no one on here has mentioned is a little piece of magic that will turn all those cheap CD players mentioned into a lovely performer, and that’s the addition of the LC Audio ZAPfilter MKII ( https://www.lcaudio.com/index.php?page=6) and the LC Clock XO3 ( https://www.lcaudio.com/index.php?page=3). In the grand scheme of things, these products are not expensive, but I defy anyone to say the results using them were not shockingly good. |
Thanks erj1953.
If this PS player is well implemented I would guess it's going to sound really good.
When it is delivered, I'd love to hear how you find it.
Pleeeezzze do post!
And thanks for the nudge @azwill. I wonder what the price is over here in Blighty. It's usually £ for $ on US equipment.
It's just a pity that SACD has never really caught on. There are less and less new releases. The catalogue has been way too small,
But I had to buy a player when Dylan's 60s 70s and early 80s output was re-released on SACD after Sony bought the Columbia back catalogue. A must buy.
I find many of those discs are as good as my pristine original edition LPs. Or better. And waaayyy better than the badly transferred CDs. The Sony Gold Blonde on Blonde CD nobly excepted. Hard to get now.l
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@grannyring,
"However, I wonder if they offer that same natural fluidity? Perhaps. I don’t know."
Bill that's exactly why I've held on to my early generation PWT so contently the past 9 years, natural and realistic music presentation. I've been led to believe that the new Pro-Ject takes this coveted quality a step or two further. We shall see.
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@charles1dad
As you may remember, I did own the PWT before. I thought it had a very easeful sound that was supremely enjoyable. I bet the new transports, getting the rave reviews, offer improved resolution and such. However, I wonder if they offer that same natural fluidity? Perhaps. I don’t know.
I wanted to buy a Jay’s, but for my comparison purposes I wanted to stay under a certain budget used. |
What’s important to me is really two things.
1) Sound quality is paramount. I want to have as much realism as possible in my home system.
2) Finding new artists I enjoy on an ongoing basis.
I may need both streaming and CD spinning 😊. We will see based on my system. |
Another owner of the PSA PWT here. I haven't played a CD in a while because with streaming it's so easy to find new music and also play back from the library I've created. Having said that, I still love physical media such as my 1000+ CDs. Both technologies can coexist.
The only negative I've found with streaming is with remastered versions of albums. Some have been remastered countless times and in the case of Tidal and Qobuz, you rarely have a choice between an original recording or a remaster. I can always play a CD if it's a well mastered version vs. the one offered by the streaming service. Plus, there are rarities on CD I like to collect such as Japanese pressings.
But, that's me, I like to have both options and with the high quality of Qobuz and their ever growing library, plus the recent price reduction please keep an open mind about streaming in the future.
I must add that the SQ of Redbook is extremely high when pairing a good dedicated transport with a DAC.
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With today’s audio products one can easily find CD Players that sound better than a Streamer / DAC combination, the reverse as well. It is a question of the component(s) choice and the system you are plugging them in to. My streamer sounds as good as my CD player, often better because of the higher resolution of the files available through streaming. This can be true at different price levels.
But the important point is that CD Players do not inherently sound better (no fundamentally different principles involved)… it is essentially the same technology packaged differently. The cost of achieving this is highly varied due to the number products out there.
What you choose should be based on what you enjoy (if you like handling discs, how much music you want access to… etc), your time horizon, and how good you are at choosing system components (a CD player is one box) a Streaming solution is typically two. The future is streaming… if that is important to you, then you weigh these things and choose we’re to put your money. |
Bill (@grannyring)
"If the transport sounds significantly better to my ears, then I will use it for critical listening sessions. The other 80% of the time I will continue to stream and listen to all kinds of wonderful new artists and music. If the transport sounds about the same or worse, then I will sell it. I just have to try for myself again. Too darn curious"
Common sense idea/plan from you (As usual). I see absolutely no reason why the two digital approaches can't easily coexist if one desires that option. On many audio interest threads if inevitably seems to devolve to 'my way is better than yours'. I have zero doubt that splendid sound quality is available with either format.
I utterly enjoy having a substantial CD collection and listening to them often and with immense pleasure. Thus the Pro-Ject RS2 Transport holds much appeal. Yet I can thoroughly understand another listener's attraction and preference to stream their music. No need to be a "Hatfield versus McCoy" scenario . Bill glad you were able to find a used PWT. Very fine transport in my opinion.
Charles |
I love my streaming digital front end and have gone to great lengths and expense to have it sound as good as possible. However, I have several audio friends with ears and opinions I trust that say a great transport still sounds significantly better. So I decided to buy a used PS Audio PWT to compare for myself in my current system. It will feed a Mojo Audio Evo dac.
I will compare this to my tricked out Innuos Zenith 3 server fed by Network Acoustics ENO ethernet cables and ENO ethernet filter. I also use an English Electric Switch 8 powered by a nice LPS. My modem/router is also powered by an LPS.
If the transport sounds significantly better to my ears, then I will use it for critical listening sessions. The other 80% of the time I will continue to stream and listen to all kinds of wonderful new artists and music. If the transport sounds about the same or worse, then I will sell it. I just have to try for myself again. Too darn curious! |
@soix
+1. Absolutely. Whole worlds of music… for the same price as a CD per month. A complete revelation. Now instead of bouncing around my collection, I can explore the entire world of music. |
I am never going to stream, not against it, just prefer hands on content @elliottbnewcombjr — Hey Elliott, I think I’m the one who clued you into the whole wonderful HT Bypass thing and I think you found that to be a bit of an epiphany, so I’m gonna throw you another one here if you trust me. If you think the HT Bypass trick was beneficial, then streaming music is that on steroids. Why??? Not so much for the convenience, but more for the WHOLE WORLD of music you now can play at your fingertips. You’re no longer limited to what discs you have, you literally have access to most of the music IN THE WORLD, and a LOT of it is in hi-res, which will likely surpass your enjoyment over getting up off your arse to change the silver disc. I spend about 17 bucks a month on my Qobuz subscription and it’s the happiest money I spend every month. PLEASE, don’t close yourself off to streaming. Honestly, it’s the biggest upgrade I’ve ever made because I’m enjoying listening to new music now more than I ever enjoyed listening to my own stuff. I fact, I never spin discs anymore because I can find 90%of them on Qobuz, and many of them are available on hi-res,which I don’t have on disc. Fact: I’m having more fun listening to and discovering new music more now than I ever have before. Hey my friend, don’t close yourself out to streaming — could be the best upgrade you ever make. |
I have read PS Audio's price reduction/sale at $3,999 on the PST (PerfectWave SACD Transport) has been extended past the end of this month to the end of the year. |
Charles I agree the R2s- Transport with a newly developed mechanism by the original developer of the Philips CD drives and mechanisms will not turn your transport or player into a door stop anytime soon .
Jays Audio a heavy weight contender of today’s CD transports have bought up scores of remaining obsolete Phillips CD drives and lasers for their own production .
Chatting with CD transport die hards that settled with the Jays Audio CDT 3 tell me it lays waste performance wise to pretty much any yesterday player and transports.
PS Audios new PerfectWave at 6K that would be interesting to compare ,
The Jays Audio CDT3 CD transport at $2,700.00 with recommendations of purchasing a replacement drive and laser for possible failure down the road and then the Project Audio RS2 T transport with after market LTS power supply at $3,700.00 including transport with sound quality performance and the reliability of a completely newly designed CD mechanism from an industry leader in developing drives and mechanisms found in most players and transports that were ever built .
I think most anyone would be genuinely surprised at the sound quality one can achieve with this transport with a starter high performing dac at $ 2600.00 such as the one I listened to over the weekend, the Musician Aquarius R2R dac .
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I have an Audiolab 8200CD and I like it.
But not sure this model level is available anymore.
It is best described as a dedicated DAC with a transport attached to it. It has 32-bit dual differential DACS and a pure class A analogue stage. You can choose different playback contours as well. You can also play back with the display lighting off. If the transport goes down, I can use it as a dedicated DAC.
It takes a little longer to spool up as it takes a few seconds to commit some of the music to a buffer. So it will play some CDs that my old Sony wouldn’t.
I can connect a laptop or thumb drive to it.
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Sorry you sold the 105. Yes with the oem power supply it is merely ok, but aftermarket linear power modules are readily available on ebay @ ~ $250 (also recommend the replacement IEC and jumper to bypass the 110/220 switch), both are fairly simple DIY PNP. It took my 105 to a much higher level of enjoyment, though I only use it for SACDs and DVD-As. I left the cover off and use a el cheapo air con filter on the top
HTH
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@ejr1953,
You are right in regard to how the P.S. Audio PWT functions. I've had mine for 9 years and it has been reliable and has excellent sound quality. I saw the special OCT pricing for the current SACD/CD model. Tempting, but I have no interest in SACD just Redbook CD.
I really like the idea/concept of the Pro-Ject CD BOX RS2 transport. single minded focus and dedicated to CD only function at a very high level. Reports and positive owner feedback certainly seem to confirmed this is successfully achieved. An upper tier no nonsense CD transport. I'm sure the new P.S.Audio transport is terrific as well.
Charles |
Charles the RS2 came with the upgraded power supply , I understand from Terry London’s review he used the LTS power supply that made a even bigger difference with playback . Side by side comparisons with the Evo Aeon and RS2 were remarkably similar in performance, I sold the Evo Aeon and returned the RS2 , my eye is on a Innuos Statement , ,.a previously enjoyed one that is .
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thanks everyone,
I will research the suggestions when I return home from this trip.
Let me clarify my goals,
I am never going to stream, not against it, just prefer hands on content. Thus all I need is L & R RCA out. Option: thru McIntosh mx110z tube tuner/preamp; or direct to Cayin A88T. I prefer the existing Sony thru the mx110z now.
It seems to me these are the essential issues (combined unit drive/dac; or two units)
1. solid transport/prevent/eliminate jitter (some OEM’s have unique ’extra’ processing)
2. enough bits/oversampling for SACD (no need by me for ’extra’ for streaming bit rates)
both ordered units have 24 bit/192khz
3. dual processors, separate L/R for synchronized clocking, perfectly timed output
4. what dual processors?
the Denon 2910 I chose has Dual Burr Brown 1791s (not 1791A)
the Onkyo Integra CDC-3.4 I chose has Dual Wolfsons
5. single unit transport/dac(s) simplifies needed space, one remote, one set of interconnects.
I didn’t mention, but the existing Sony mechanism is getting noisy, I think either fix or discard.
IF neither of these beat the existing Sony, I have 3 systems, so the changer stays in main system replacing the Sony, or to the Garage/Basement and the Single Player stays main or to the Office.
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IF either of these vintage units improve CD sound, Oh Happy Day, I stop searching
OR, same/equal to the existing Sony: I stop searching (after all they both will probably sound damn good);
OR, I go for ’super solid’ transport (Onkyo DX-7500 and the mentioned Luxman’s claim) and Separate DAC as most suggest.
What DAC? The Original Integra DX-7500; Oppo 83 and 105, and both of these choices have ’superior Dual DAC’s inside.
Reminder: no streaming.
thanks again everyone,
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If you want to do something budget-friendly, I use my Sony Blu-ray player for a CD player. The sound quality is a significant improvement over the Yamaha CD changer I had been using. The issue is finding one that has RCA outputs, as most of the new ones only have an HDMI output. I was lucky enough to find mine at Goodwill for $10, but I'm sure you could find a gently used one for just a little more than that. And if it isn't to you're liking, you're not out much.
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@clearthinker "
I have always wondered why someone doesn't build a player that reads the disc without using any clock, buffers the bits for half a second or so and spoonfeeds them to the DAC at nice even intervals using a separate clock?"
PS Audio has been doing something like that for quite some time, with their original CD transport, the current SACD/CD transport and the one it replaced. It reads the bits off the disk, places them in a memory buffer then delivers them in a more "timing sensitive" mode to the DAC. From what I've read, conventional CD players do some re-reads and corrections as part of the process of getting the bits off the physical disk, which apparently effects the timing of the bits arriving at the DAC.
Yes, "bits are bits", but what people who are digital audio experts say, the timing of those bits is crucial to the sound quality.
On a related note, yesterday I "pulled the trigger" and ordered the new PS Audio PST PerfectWave SACD Transport, taking advantage of their sale price, which is good through the end of October. I currently own their previous model, the DMP and their DirectStream DAC. From what I read, the PST provides a noticeable improvement over the DMP, especially for conventional CDs. |
If your are willing to use your existing player as a transport, I would urge you to consider external DAC like the Denafrips Ares2 (sub $800) or better models. I love mine. If you are willing to replace your Sony player, the Marantz SACD30n (~ $3K in USA) that sounds superb and is also an excellent network streamer and a very good DAC for other devices to connect to it ! It also plays SACD's flawlessly. I am sure there are even better players / DACs out there but for the money, I believe these units I listed are hard to beat. GOOD LUCK ! |
@in_shore,
Did you find the difference between the wall wart and the optional linear power supply subtle (Yet noticeable) or significant?
Charles |
@in_shore,
Okay, the convenience factor, I understand. It was your comments (And those of other there) on another thread that got my attention regarding the Pro-Ject RS2 transport. When you wrote it sounds better than your 432 EVO Reference music server playing files or streaming. That is quite a compliment.
I'm looking forward to hearing the highly praised RS2 transport in my audio system very soon. I believe many people underestimate the importance and contribution a quality CD transport (With over emphasis on the DAC).
Charles |
"Word" clocks. Time defines everything and the better the clock the better the sound from a given system. With out "clocks" there is no digital anywhere. |
So bits ain't bits after all?
But surely they are; the biggest problem in digital is dither and clock corruption.
I have always wondered why someone doesn't build a player that reads the disc without using any clock, buffers the bits for half a second or so and spoonfeeds them to the DAC at nice even intervals using a separate clock?
Anyone technical know if this has been tried or why it won't work?
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elliottbnewcombjr
Thank You for sharing your CDP history. The good news, is that, there is a plethora of Demo/Used upper tier spinners in the secondary marketplace.
Keep me posted on your purchase decision. Another +vote for purchasing CD players in 2021.
Happy Listening!
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fatdaddy2
Nice score on the Luxman D-06u.
Happy Listening!
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azwill
I miss Integra Research.
Happy Listening!
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Purchasing a used Luxman D-06u helped me to realize what I'd been missing with my Sony S9000ES, Audio Research CD-1, Pioneer Elite BDP-05, Cayin and even Oppo UDP-205 players. A different class altogether. |
