Speaker recommendations 10 to 30k and no beryllium

You might also want to look into the Vimberg, Mino or larger TondaTidal also has a listing for the DiaceraSE or sale @ audiogon right now
$19,900.00 Tidal Audio Diacera SE - reduced | Full-Range | Audiogon

If you are close to Toronto, why don't you try Gershman speakers?

I have provided my thoughts about them in the Yamaha NS5000 thread.Wonderful sounding things with the real bonus that they are an easy speaker to drive so that opens up the opportunity to drive them with purist moderately powered tube or class A SS amplifiers.Whereas many of the alternatives llike Focal,Magico,Wilson,B&W etc dip down to between  2-3 ohms so are ridiculously amplifier hostile.
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Jtgofish  Definitely agree where did you hear them did you write any impressions

Told you the Yamaha NS 5000s are the real deal.At least for anybody who has a musical soul and who has some insight into how acoustic music and voices sound.

Definitely will, will prob do a full write up on sonic visions dooot org

Great! Hope we`ll get some feedback! 

Thanks dweller

Congrats!

I settled on the NS5000. Take delivery next week.

Reality is you need to begin isolating variables in order to get anywhere.  The room has a HUGE influence on the end result.  Chances are a less than ideal sounding audition/system can be set up to sound way better in your home.  The reverse is also true, hearing something amazing at a Dealer will very rarely translate to the same experience at home without considerable effort and expense.  Buy something that excites you and begin the journey with that in your home.

You can, go to My Kind of Music.  In all honesty it seems like you're more interested in talking and writing about speakers than you are actually buying something.  No audition will ever be ideal nor translate exactly to your listening room.  It is much easier to make a $20K system sound great than it is a $100K one.

@dznutz I wish i could hear them :\

Wilson Benesch... end of story

@d2girls the Everest uses beryllium

gotta agree with grover30!
JBL 4367 doesnt get the love it deserves!

What is up with your friends?  Do they really poke at your tweeters?

Well, you know what to look for when you change.....:-)

A studio is selling a pair JBL 4350 for 2 grand. Tempting?

@gosta thanks man I prefer passive speakers

@prof  might certainly be one of those situations where there is an initial big wow factor but the more you listen the more you might get fatigued. I wonder if this can be tamed with tubes though.

If John Paul Jones song Bass ’n’ Drums at unhealthy levels are in your taste the speaker for you are the Quested v3110. An active monster for pros. Naturally they play everything you give them with the same self confidence. Yamaha NS 5000 may be a interesting contender.

I auditioned the Paradigm Persona speakers twice, in two locations, and though I found some aspects impressive, each time I found myself getting fatigued from the character of the highs.  Not surprising given the rise around 1K in the Stereophile measurements.  I was less impressed hearing them the second time.
But, I can understand why others may really like them.

I have not heard Raidho but think Borresen should be similar. Maybe better.

Headphondreams what about raidho?

MBL for holographic. Stenheim. Borresen. Maybe Verity Lakme. 

I have not heard Magico S, only their smallest standmounts and the big M6 which were spectacular for a spectacular price.

Guys in general what speakers have you heard that compete with the speed, detail and holographic presentation of persona series and magico s series?

For my downstairs I am debating whether to get the Pesrona 9H or the Blades. I also have a 3 year old toddler but I am more concerned with the kid knocking the speaker over. Anyways, that decision will wait until the kid is a little older.

I think the 9H can almost rival magico m2 and contriva g2 and both of those speakers cost 2-3x more.

@cbrents731 I know brother... I love the persona. But just want to get away from Berrylium. Kind of a wife thing too... she just doesn't like it. :\

Thanks, very interesting!

smodtactical,
I'd enjoy reading a bit more detail on your auditions, impressions of the Joseph speakers and what grabbed you about the Yamahas.  I've heard the Yamaha speakers at shows and they were certainly attention grabbing!

I like the Rockport Avior speaker.  The current model is a bit out of your price range ($38,000 US), but, older used models might be available.  This is a speaker on the warmer side of neutral.

There are Canadian brands that you should be able to audition, such as Gershman, that are pretty nice sounding.  

You have a pretty good list of foorstanding speakers you are interested in, and they do span a range of different kinds of sound, so I think you will have a decent idea of what is out there if you can actually audition these speakers.  I have a few more suggestions:

ProAc floorstanders with the ribbon tweeter.  The bigger models might be a bit too much for your room (they tend to be a bit bass heavy), but, worth an audition because they sound so good.  

German Physiks--these speakers use an unconventional bending wave driver that is omni-directional (like MBL) and sound quite good in a room of your size.

Good luck on your search.

Since you have Paradigm’s now, I’m not sure why you’re not considering Personas that have Beryllium - which are completely protected?  Short of your children taking a hammer to them, there’s no way to damage the tweeters or midranges.  The acoustic PPA Lens covers are made of metal.  The difference you’ll hear moving to these over your Signatures will make those sound as if they’re broken.

Here’s the link to the Persona’s configurator where you can build them like any way you choose like building a car online.  Good luck in search!

https://design.paradigm.com/en/persona/  

Prof,
l have been there many times and found no such issues. They were always friendly and accommodating.

Thanks guys... recently auditioned joseph perspective 2 graphene and yamaha ns5000. Very impressed with both but the NS5000 was the one that really got my attention  !

JBL synthesis 4367s. Full sounding, incredibly dynamic and detailed. They sound good with any genre and at any volume level. They have an amazing sound stage and you would think the band in musician are right in front of you. They can go louder than you ever would want without a hint of distortion. Best speakers that I have ever heard.

If you go to Audio Excellence in Toronto to audition expensive gear make sure you dress the part.  I’ve had some “interesting” experiences trying to audition stuff here ;-)

I'll eat a hemp driver before I eat a flax one, that's for sure! :)

Another health issue we seem to ignore...people who eat tweeters. A Beryllium tweeter industry coverup? I say hemp tweeters all the way...

If you haven't yet, you might want to go to Audio Excellence in Toronto ( https://www.audioexcellence.ca/) and give an audition to the Wilson Yvette or Sabrina, Sonus Faber with various floor standers in your price range, and Magnepan (if you have the room for large planar magnetic), as well as Legacy and Klipsh.  That was just after a quick search for audio shops in Ontario, but I'm sure there are others.  You can certainly find online deals with free returns, but given the hassle of shipping back speakers that don't work for you, there's no substitute for hearing them for yourself.  Preferably with a home trial for a few days with your room and other components.  I was able to arrange that with my dealer and it was worth the $200 charge for delivery and pickup when investing the kind of money you're talking about.

Narrow down your search that way, and possibly reach out to see if there are any local audiophiles that have direct only speakers (e.g., Spatial or others) to try and hear them before you purchase.  It's only your ears that matter in the selection, and in particular they have to integrate with your components and room.  But enjoy the hunt!  It's an enjoyable process.  

Magico. Theres a pair on Audiomart, not sure the model # but fairly new and 10K  off list. 

I just went through a process of choosing new speakers in your price range.  To meet your non beryllium requirement I would choose,out of the many good choices listed here, a used pair of Stenheim Alumine 3 or 5 used.  There have been pairs of both on Agon recently.  They lack for nothing and are quite efficient at 1w/94db.  I decided I wanted beryllium and bought a pair of Magico Q3s instead.  

Regarding Raidho I would look at Borresen also since they have the former Raidho designer. Still as expensive though, this price range only includes their standmounts.

@smodtactical
I’d advise probably Executive Stereo first. I bought mine from Ed and he’s a great guy, and I know he has the Perspectives for audition since I just heard them there myself this week.
TIP: Ask to have the Perspective pulled well out from the wall and spread more apart. I find that showroom to be a bit boomy in the bass and if the Perspectives are near the back wall like they were when I heard them this week, they will boom. The Perspectives are capable of very rich but tight bass - I own the original Perspectives. The ones at Executive Stereo are the slightly updated Graphene driver version.