50-60-70 year old ears stating with certainty that what they hear is proof positive of the efficacy of analog, uber-cables, tweaks...name your favorite latest and greatest audio "advancement." How many rock concerts under the bridge? Did we ever wear ear protection with our chain saws? Believe what you will, but hearing degrades with age and use and abuse. To pontificate authority while relying on damaged goods is akin to the 65 year old golfer believing his new $300 putter is going to improve his game. And his game MAY get better, but it is the belief that matters. Everything matters, but the brain matters the most.
I have to admit we all need to take a look at our selves in the mirror and acknowledge that we are all in deed getting older ( average audiophile age is above 50 now) and we cannot hear all the things we used to regardless of perceived experience. if you have not had your hearing tested recently I'd suggest you do, you may be surprised at how much you have lost, or surprised at what you have not. regardless above 50 your not hearing what you used to period. doesn't mean its bad, or not enjoyable, etc. just facts. facts seem to be missing more often then not on here lately.
Strange and flawed premise. It should read something like: Isn’t it amazing that those who’ve had their ears in this game for most of their lives can still call it correctly when something is better or amiss?
And, does that indicate that the ear-brain relationship operates on a level that we have yet to fully understand? Could it be that there’s more computational operations going on behind the curtain than perviously thought?
That would be a better starting point than a gripe.
People need to have their hearing tested and measured and report the certified results here. Then one can rightfully claim golden ears and tell others what they may be missing. Any age. Until then.....
In all seriousness, an old guy is way way way more unlikely to hear what a young guy hears. That folks is a scientifically established fact. Those are so inconvenient sometimes! So just take that into consideration when advising others. Maybe that’s why its mostly all old guys in the club here.
Well OP I took care of my ears. Every concert (well over 150) I wore ear protection if it was needed.. The last 50 - 60 I went to they were pretty small venues, WITHOUT a lot of LOUD!!! I still kept plug in my pocket..
A lot of my counterparts (mechanics) didn't take care of there ears... BAD buddy.. A lot of the engine guys like me are just DEAF.. I always used plugs and muffs.. Always.. You actually got sent home if you were caught being a dumbass. Not protecting your ears..
The secondary stuff cinched it for a lot, drag racing, hot rodding bikes, loud music, WEAPONS fire (huge one) not supervised (no muffs).
BASSHEADS for get it, I wouldn't hire one.. PERIOD To dumb to protect your ears.. Dummy... No I ain't laughing.. DUMMY!!!!
I've see KID almost pass out in "The Breach" A bass chamber I built.. DUMMIES!! LOL
First, your general point -- "dogmatism is bad" -- seems easy to grant. To that I would only add, "Mean people suck."
Second, people who have learned to listen may have more to say than people who haven't, regardless of age. I used to think that if I was having a problem with my computer, I could just ask any nearby teenager or twenty-something. Turns out, most of them don't know how these things work, either. Find someone who knows, and age is irrelevant. Indeed, people using computers longer know more because you had to do more to get them to work, early on.
Third, if my hearing is that of a 50-something, why wouldn't I want the advice of someone in my generation, with a roughly commensurate hearing ability? We don't ask kids about the taste of wine because their taste buds are not in the same state as ours, and their preferences are wildly different.
50-60-70 year old ears stating with certainty that what they hear is proof positive of the efficacy of analog, uber-cables, tweaks...name your favorite latest and greatest audio "advancement." How many rock concerts under the bridge? Did we ever wear ear protection with our chain saws? Believe what you will, but hearing degrades with age and use and abuse. To pontificate authority while relying on damaged goods is akin to the 65 year old golfer believing his new $300 putter is going to improve his game. And his game MAY get better, but it is the belief that matters. Everything matters, but the brain matters the most.
You were doing a pretty good job (okay honestly you were doing a horrible job, but pretty good for here) building a case for, well something. You are upset- triggered, frustrated, confused- that much is clear.
Point being to encourage more humility and less dogmatism.
Ahh, and you thought to accomplish this with.... a bunch of unrelated gripes?
D-.
If you submit a re-write today we will drop the D-. Agreed?
OP, you talk as if we old timers just started life at 60! Sorry, but I've been playing music for 50 yrs and bought my first record at age 8. That would be 62 yrs ago.
The one advantage that age has is experience. In my case, 60 yrs of hearing music, both live & recorded. So, yes, I CAN speak with a certain amount of authority. Science cannot prove everything. To believe so is SCIENTISM.
Again, 96% of the universe is missing. Yet modern man believes he has a great amount of knowledge, in spite of the fact that there is only 4% that can possibly be known. And of that, the smartest may know .5% at best. Maybe less. So what does man REALLY know in the full scheme of things? An extremely small amount.
I will ask my 19 year old wife for a second opinion on the directionality of wire......
My dog loved the sound of my hifi so that’s good enough for me. He never made known his opinion on wire directions though. He seemed content swinging both ways.
An arbitrary decision that it somehow must be a bunch of old stubborn guys who are the only ones hearing such things.
Falling to recall, or understand, that these people were also younger when they discovered this and heard it.
that it is not some sort of late in life discovery and some form of weird 'old man insistence' of being right.
Ok. Sure. Whatever.
If attempting to use logic, one must use the entire package and all data, not just selective projected bits of each. Otherwise the answers and conclusions are as inaccurate as the question posed.
Hearing degrades as does brain. But still you can tell if something sounds right or wrong to you. And still you note that his game may get better, strange. G
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