All white this morning in SW Michigan, but too early to check the ice thickness on the lake. Time to go to the gym.
why do so many discussions turn contentious?
just venting....why do so many discussion posts need to turn contenious and nasty? do you guys find that constructive and/or enjoyable? I have no clue who or how this forum is moderated, but I sure would love to see a stop to that...it makes me feel like this hobby is dominated by total jerks.
Can't we play nice, share OPINIONS and OBSERVATIONS, realizing that they often are subjective and biased.
"if you dont have anything nice to say, say nothing"? If you wish to disagree, do it in a constructive and mature fashion, no need for "argument ad hominem"...
with all the chaff, one must waste so much time finding the wheat, figuratively speaking.
I doubt my writing this will change anything, but, like most social media, people writing to others without facing them does not bring out the best, sadly......
Can't we play nice, share OPINIONS and OBSERVATIONS, realizing that they often are subjective and biased.
"if you dont have anything nice to say, say nothing"? If you wish to disagree, do it in a constructive and mature fashion, no need for "argument ad hominem"...
with all the chaff, one must waste so much time finding the wheat, figuratively speaking.
I doubt my writing this will change anything, but, like most social media, people writing to others without facing them does not bring out the best, sadly......
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If company pay me $300,000 per year I find way to moderate. I hire people to please those that want scholar conversation and please those that find value freedom and those that want punishment and those that want monkey business conversation and those that for those that want promote own business and those that want stress relief and those that want all above. That bargain for pleasing all side. I make voice to text so some can get post while washing dish and ability to share video so everyone get to bottom of people desire to have glory sound people that listen instead of post all day. I create workout plan so you get jack up lose belly and women flood to you at gym. I create post about my wife setup to get added pleasure from subwoofer system that she rate as highest regard. That all very cheap for making everyone satisfy. |
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I’m an avid musky fisherman. In the big picture of freshwater fishing, musky guys are a very small percentage of overall fisherman. Bothers me when I hear musky guys/groups pulling against one another. As a newbie here I see some of that same discourse. As audiophiles we are a very small percentage of the population. I try to ignore any negativity I read and absorb any useful information I can come across. Overall this forum has been extremely helpful in my recent decisions on upgrading my system. |
I have found it ironic and a bit disheartening that in a thread predicated on understanding and perhaps minimizing gratuitous incivility, some posts demonstrate the problem. Posters have argued with belittling statements, others have singled out those they don't respect, and yet others have injected pet peeves and other irrelevant negativity into the mix. We are who we are, I guess, when it comes to being triggered by each other. I offer no solutions and I hope my post doesn't come across as attacking or condemning. I'm just noticing what seems to be happening, and experiencing my reaction to it. Perhaps this strikes a chord for others. |
If I'm going to get lambasted again for posting (been a member 14 years), where is that "Madrical?" Is that his call name? Always fascinated that you guys leave him totally alone to go on and on about tuning the room and all the books on sound and fidelity he has read. Seriously, I can't get through an entire post he is in. You remember that movie Se7en, with Morgan Freeman and Brad Pitt? Remember they found that one emaciated guy in that room with 200-300 air fresheners hanging...... Then he moves!! That's how I imagine that guys listening space. BUT, how did he achieve the pass with all of you? |
Was this not a topic 3-4 weeks ago? It is at least encouraging that as a group you have found the reason you get few newbies, keep even less. They could make a huge dent in the "old mans club" problem. Limit posters to a reasonable amount of monthly post. I mean when that guy a week or two ago posted that maybe the problem are members that have posted almost 11K in the past three years. FYI, I have not been able to read an entire thread in a long time. Maybe one out of 100. |
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iF time and phase, low diffraction baffle, and pistonic drivers and a low output cabinet put ya off, so be it… Enjoy your music and system. For many of us, since 1977 the above have been quite satisfying….. oh and super good in room frequency response…. 11 bands of analog EQ below 120 hz…. Imagine how boring the world would be…if everybody liked ________ fill in the blank….. |
sensesundertime Many opine about so called time and phase correct loudspeakers but alas the facts are that there is no correlation to these being preferred to others that don't quite emphasize this trait.Really? Do you have actual data to support that, or is that just your opinion? Consistently other qualities take the cake in preference.Really? Do you have actual data to support that, or is that just your opinion? |
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What constitutes an opinion and what constitutes a fact can also be a point of contention sometimes. And when we attach moral value to a preference or an opinion, it never works out too well. I’m not trying to weigh in on any particular fact or non-fact here. I have no understanding of technical matters. |
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It's people like you that make everyone else so mad. Are you saying respondents here are all hot-heads? Why you Mo-Fo!! I kill you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Why are more people freaking out on airline flights? Last 12 months has had more flight incidents than the last 40 years. People get crazy, there's a plane to Georgia.... |
i read that comment about ’dumbed down vandersteens’ before the poster deleted it (or it was deleted for him) - i was going to jump in, but thought the better of it, in deference to the intent of this thread i felt that post was a great example of someone who might be meaning to make a fairly benign point (about high end listeners falling basically into 2 camps - ’accuracy seekers’ vs ’beauty seekers’), but in using a quite poor choice of words, his post came across as unnecessarily inflammatory (not to mention depicting his own lack of experience with the quite precise and highly accurate sound that modern/higher vandys produce) |
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Reading through this discussion, I am surprised that Lous feels compelled to call out Vandersteen as a dumbed-down sound yet makes no reference to other speakers for hearing impaired, overly detailed, or any other tonal balance difference in the many speakers available. Mastering engineer Roy Haylee - Simon and Garfunkle; Joe Harley - Producer Blue Note Records and Capitol Music Group; and Shane Buettner, producer Intervention Records, would disagree they have dumbed down sound in their Vandersteen Model 7's where they make critical and final decisions on sound. Does the sound have to be annoying to be accurate? Perhaps over-generalized statements like these are the reason we can't have helpful discussions on these forums. |
