Wilson Alexia 2 lacking some bass


Hello everyone,

I’m reaching out for advice on fine-tuning my system, as I'm noticing a minor lack of low-end response that seems unusual given the capabilities of my speakers.

Here’s the current setup:

  • Speakers: Wilson Alexia 2, positioned on spikes per the WASP guide
  • Amplification: Nagra HD mono amps
  • Digital Source: DCS Rossini Apex with DCS Rossini Clock
  • Server: Antipodes Oladra
  • Cabling: Shunyata Omega throughout
  • Room Dimensions: Approximately 20 x 15 ft

I’m wondering if the amps may not be the ideal match or if further adjustments to the speaker placement could help resolve this. Any insights would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance

 

greenspyder718

Very well sorted out system, congrats.  The setup guides are just starting points and the sound you hear is totally dependent on the nuances our your listening room.  Every little detail of the room matters.  Perhaps your listening position is in a node or partial node where you're getting a little bass dip.  It took me months to be fully satisfied with my speaker positioning.  Keep in mind that anything new in your system needs adequate time to run in.  Reposition your speakers or listening spot in small increments and be patient.  It would be helpful for the community to see a pic of your listening room and maybe have some other thoughts.  Good luck and cheers.

Wow, beautiful system you have assembled. All broken in? Correct? A system like that at least 500 hours… but the bass should be real close after 200. It would be of great help to see photos. You can easily post them by creating a virtual system. You can see mine. The venue is critical and it is not easy to describe fully in words.

 

I would say with great certainty speaker placement. It typically takes me a year to get mine optimized. When I am concerned about bass. I take off the spikes and put sliders under the speakers. Number one will be distance to wall behind and sidewalls. Once you are sure this is right… the toe in can increase the treble… tipping the overall balance.

Finally if all that leaves you a bit uninspired… is there a chance the system is a little too polite? dCs is very resrained and a bit well, not cold… but not warm.

Well, for one, all Wilson speakers are well known for having some of the best bass and dynamics in the business. So, right off the bat, we can eliminate the speakers for possibly being the issue. I have Revel Salon 2 speakers, which have the same kind of great bass that the Wilson speakers have, and wherever I position them, the bass is still there, so I don’t believe that speaker placement is the real issue here either. I believe that your lack of bass issue most likely stems from either your amplification or your cabling. All you can do now is experimentation with different cables and amps until you get the kind of bass that the speakers are capable of. Happy listening.

@greenspyder718 how do you drive mono-amps, what is your preamp? also, what is sound level you think bass is lacking? 

I’m wondering if the amps may not be the ideal match or if further adjustments to the speaker placement could help resolve this.

You could keep changing amps and placement until blue in the face or.....the simpler solution is to get a pair of subs....

Placement is key, but the best bass response might not be the ideal placement for the mids and highs. A sub, or 2 under 50Hz with their own volume control might be the ticket for that last octave to really kick in.

The minor lack of low end response?  Compared to what?  Using a test frequency track can help pinpoint the exact frequencies involved.  That should be determined before any solution can be attempted.

Congrats on this excellent system!

As others mentioned, run a frequency test. These speakers should have solid bass. 

Wilson recommendation in a manual for my Sabrina is speaker to listening position should be 1.1 to 1.2 times the distance between speakers (measured between center of tweeters).  That works for me but no two rooms are alike. 
Experiment and see. Walk around the room while test tone is playing to see if you are dealing with a listening position located in a null point

Like westcoastaudiophile I see no preamplifier. If you are running straight from the DAC to the monos that could be your problem. Maybe look for a high end pre to match what is otherwise an incredibly good system, even if I don't like Wilson speakers.

Check out hte AM Acoustics room simulator.  You input your dimensions, and it helps you locate your speakers and listening area away from nodes/antinodes.

Two possibilities. One already mentioned, position in room. There are spots where base is poor or even almost doesn't exist. This is purely a factor of room dimensions and speaker position  in the room. Unfortunately the position for best mids and/or imaging are often not good positions for deep bass.

Second what do you base the lack of bass on? Is it measurement or listening to sources or even test records? How loud do you listen. Our ears roll off in the bass in relation to loudness. Our ears are flat around 100 dB(way too loud for ear health). Below that level the bass loss is because of ear roll off. And the roll off is extreme. I'm lazy and don't feel like looking it up but I recall 20 Hz being over around 15 dB at 80dB level(still loud for long term listening). Before the adoption of minimal controls we had things like bass controls and loudness controls to try to compensate for our ear response.

I’ve got almost the same setup with Alexia 2 and Rossini Apex but with Boulder preamp and amp. The bass is terrific. In fact, I replaced B&W 802d3 which were anemic. The Alexia has amazing bass. 

Great system.  Maybe the Alexa’s are to far from the front wall?.

Just a thought.

@greenspyder718, does the minor low-end lack you describe show up throughout the room, or only in the listening position? 

Is your 20 x 15 foot room open into any other rooms?

Can you describe approximately where the speakers are relative to the nearby walls? 

Thanks!

 

I owned Alexia2 for almost one year and just traded in for AlexiaV this week. In my experience Wilsons are never lack of bass response (not sure you meant 40hz deep bass or 80-100hz mid bass, and not sure you meant lack of bass volume or dynamics ?)  also how large is your listening area that the amp+speakers can fill with enough power ? 

I would try to move the speakers 1/4inch at a time, towards the front wall and see if it helps. Another thing I tried is to take away the grilles of bass drivers and it should give you 5% more dynamics or punch feel. 
 

I am not familiar with the preamp you are using , but another way to try is to adjust the gain on your preamp and see if that helps. 

I would add 2 Rel subwoofers like the S 510 or the S 812. I just added 2x S 500 with my Shindo Masseto and Montille amp and Fleetwood Deville SQ. Wish did it before, it is really a match made in heaven. Perfect bass , better coherence and live sounding.You won’t regret it, believe me, will take your system to another level.