Question about how analog audio recording works


Hello!

My wife and I are high and having a discussion about how sound is recorded on records. I have an, I think, more than average understand of how sound and recording/playback works so I was trying to explain how grooves on the record represent sound waves.

What we don't understand is how polyphony is physically represented. So I can see how a single sine can easily be represented on a record. But when you're talking several sounds at once, some on the same pitch some now, dozens of timbres happening all at once, how do we differentiate those sounds on a physical medium like vinyl, or how do we represent it digitally? Is it literally nothing more than 1s and 0s? That'd be sick

Anyway, I hope this makes sense. Thanks!

maynovent

@maynovent - Your question is a difficult one to visualize and, I think, the seed for a lot of misunderstanding and even pseudoscience in the audiophile world. I’m far from an expert, but have spent quite a bit of time trying to make sense of things. I think "visualizing" the analog process is the easiest way to understand it. Sound waves cause a microphones diaphragm to move in and out which creates an electrical signal that is a series of +/- voltages that will eventually cause the speaker drivers to replicate the in and out pattern of the original sound wave. A - negative voltage at the speaker makes it move one direction and a + voltage makes it move the opposite direction. Lower notes have longer wave forms so the speaker driver has to move farther in each direction to replicate it. Where it get’s harder to think about is when there’s more than one frequency because it’s hard to imagine a single driver replicating more than one frequency. In reality, the drivers can replicate high frequencies (think a vibration) at the same time as a deep bass note (think about when you an actually see a bass driver moving).

In the end, the audio signal is really a series of positive and negative voltages that in super simple terms could be visualized as you taking one step forward and then one step back (representing a higher frequency) while standing on a moving belt that was simultaneously moving you forward 5 feet and then back 5 feet (representing a lower frequency). In the end, your absolute position (representing the driver) is what creates the combined sound wave.

I’ve seen a great YouTube video that showed what multiple sounds looks like on an oscilloscope, but I can’t seem to find it today.

I think a lot of audiophiles believe that cables are literally carrying a lot of music signals in parallel when it’s really just one signal. Something like a tuning fork will result in a nearly perfect sine wave while a full symphony will have a very complex wave form that is still just a more intricate series of positive and negative voltages.

Without getting into the cable controversy, it’s important to recognize that music is not flowing through cables and it’s instead just a series of alternating positive and negative voltages of varying amplitudes. When it is thought about in this way, it’s easy to understand how maintaining the timing and amplitude of the pulses in the electrical signal are critical. The concept of "bandwidth" is, I believe, often mistakenly thought of as being able to pass more signals through in parallel and you’ll see a lot of the advertising capitalizing on this misunderstanding.

 

Think of an ideal audio system acting a rigid connection between the microphone diaphragm and the speaker driver.  Every movement in the diaphragm should be perfectly translated to the speaker driver.


Some interesting tidbits in here. Maybe some of you know the specs of mastering and cutting lathes that this guy wants to find?

https://youtu.be/fp5k6dn16sM

@mahgister , adaptation is the key to human survival. 

What are you driving your headphones with? Triodes seem to be the thing now a days. 

@mahgister , adaptation is the key to human survival.

What are you driving your headphones with? Triodes seem to be the thing now a days.

 

Yes we must adapt but without cooperation ( my wife and doctor) first no adaptation will be useful very long ... I admire Darwin not the neo- Darwinians... If i can tease you... 😉

i begins to drive them with my beloved Sansui Au-7700 which was driving my speakers with an organic almost tube-like sound but it is as you know  an S.S. design...

 The AU-7700 is one of the best Sansui but the K340 are not only hungry, but very picky and revelatory of noise more than my speakers was , and i discovered that what was acceptable from my speakers Mission Cyrus in my room was not acceptable by the AKG K340... Too high noise floor from the Sansui Au 7700...

I then swithch toward the top Sansui line the alpha series... i pay 300 bucks for this Sansui alpha AU 607-i ...

This one is not  as a tube-like sound but it sound more S.S. ,more cold than warm, from my speakers when i connected it to them  it sound the same from the K340... More cold but with my speakers i prefered the Au-7700 ...But it was i needed for the K340...

There exist better amplifier no doubt even if it was the best of Sansui in 1987...But my budget is very limited...

https://audio-database.com/SANSUI/amp/au-alpha607i-e.html

Anyway after 6 modifications inside and around the AKG K340 which takes me 6 months of listening experiments ( because i learned how this hybrid with passive grid of 5 resonators inside creating a dual acoustic chamber in the shell must work optimally i even read the Dr. Gorike patent to do it) ...  After my long process of optimization i was very satisfied by my soundfield 3-D filling the room as speakers did in many recordings...

This is the only successful hybrid in history and a complex design to figure out if we want to optimize it...

My dreamed amplifier is the Berning ZOTL tube amp , because of price, and because tubes in it  have a 10,000 hours life span and stay always cold as temperature of the room ... And the K340 need more a cold sound as in S.S. to my ears to shine  than a warm one to shine... And the tube amp of Berning sound more like S.S. with no harshness though... I never listen to it but i read all reviews..

I am completely satisfied now with the Sansui alpha... But i dream to try the ZOTL...It is not necessary... My actual system is better than my speakers/room on many acoustic factors because my Mission Cyrus so good they were for their price and they were good , lack deep bass and did not have the electro-static high frequencies i can enjoy now... And because of his inside grid of passive Helmholtz resonators able to fool the brain, i enjoy out of the head and speaker like realistic sound..

If i listen big organ , the organ is not in my head, the organ fill the roo0m and i feel it with my body and feet at 30 hertz by bone resonance... It is incredible and no headphones i own (9) would even compare... I dont use them... And now being no more  sad with the lost of my room and in better health,my house sold,  i came back here again...

By the way the atma-spehere tube amplifier is spectacularly beautiful and the reviews are unanimous for sound quality...Congratulations! But it is double the price of the ZOTL amplifier which i cannot afford anyway and i will never be able to pick one and the other for comparison...

But there is no frustation, my actual low cost system is anyway at 600 bucks the best i ever heard and i cannot fault it... i will keep my illusions and invest money in music... i did not bother myself with sound  anymore and the 3-D sound effect out of the head i was liking in my room is now around me again differently but not in a bad or worst way at all with this headphone...

My best to you...