Do you stop the turntable or let it spin while you run e record brush

Hi all,

Since I acquired and have been using the Luxman pd441 I realized that this table has a low torque motor and the plater slows down considerably if I apply the brush with the motor running.
Which does more damage to the unit, the motor fighting the brush or the electronic being turned off and on dozens of times during a listening session?  Thanks all with more experience.


I heard from a dealer who said that Fremer recommends brushing only while the record is spinning otherwise, it could scratch the record.  I let the platter come up to speed and use the  Anti-Static Record Brush · AudioQuest.  It's somewhat lighter than other brushes - and I gently run over the record and sweep.
On my Technics SL1200G, being direct drive I have no such problems.  You can bear down hard on the brush while TT is spinning and the speed never slows down. 
Are you kidding ? You can’t damage the motor using a brush! Even if you put heavyweight disc stabilizer and mat on top you can’t damage DD motor. Your brush in NOTHING for this direct drive motor. Low torque or high torque - you can’t stop the motor with brush if you know how to use it right.

I have two LUX PD-444, this is the brush I use for ages and I never stop the platter when I use the brush. If you don’t have this brush - buy it (the label can be different). It will cost you $6-15. The best brush ever made!

You don’t need a felt brush that looks like a brick with flat edges (I’ve seen some), those are for sleaning records when they are not on a turntable.

Soft carbon-fiber brush is what you need.
Just got back to listing music on vinyl from being strored away for over 2 decades and at least 1/2 of my records are from dj’ing environment (very dirty) and a lot of them requires washing or at least heavy brushing and the plater fights the bras hung a lot.
No such issues with belt drive (belt slippage) or high torque DD tables (ala sl1200, sp10,etc)
That’s the reason for this question.
I guess I should wash most of my records.

I use the Brush in the Link.
It is the softest Brush I have come across that has a dedicated purpose for LP Cleaning.
It has been reserved for Brand New Vinyl and recently my Newly Cleaned Vinyl, that is slowly growing in numbers.
All my Vinyl Collection is being cleaned since the beginning of 2021, and this has been a purchase that has been good to incorporate into the post cleaning processes for vinyl care
The ASB -1 Dust collection is extremely good, and work effectively without the need to apply a force, the free weight laying on the LP will remove any surface contaminant in not much more than two revolutions of the LP.
I leave the Puck Weight off when cleaning as when on the LP, it shields the light source across the LP from a local placed lamp that is set to direct a light onto the LP Surface.
The use of the lamp really aids with showing off the surface contamination that settles on the LP in a very short space of time.
The Brush is also the only brush I have used that when thoroughly removing contaminant does not cause slippage of the LP on the Platter, as there is no need to apply a down force to the Brush.

I certainly don't see this brush as being responsible for labouring the TT's motor.

It does command a Price above the commonly seen prices, but the effectiveness of the clean, the not producing slippage and the other properties it is claimed to contain, that are more difficult to comment on, make it an item I am happy to own. 
It fits perfectly into the equipment purchases made to carry out a regime of Vinyl Care and ensure the Source Medium is off a high standard when in use.

I guess I should wash most of my records.

Absolutely. Not the highest end cleaner, but effective, I bought a new Record Doctor V. Makes a big difference. Also have a basic Spin-Clean, which is great for dirtier records for a first clean.

I use a brush before every play, use a light touch. But, yes, I have found if my record drags while using a brush, that is a good sign it needs cleaned.
I use the Hunts Record Brush and sometimes the big brush with grounding I bought from MD. 
I never had good luck with record brushes, going back to the Decca. I’ve tried all kinds. They are good at pushing the dust into a line, but after that, advice typically is, push the collected surface lint/detritus to the label or to the edge, which is not, in my estimation, a good way to get rid of surface "lint." (Nor has "scooping" worked with the Hunt Brush, which I’ve had in various incarnations over the years).
I do a serious deep clean of a record (Monks: KL) and after that, use a third party inner to store (keeping the original if it has artifact value). A lot of the "audiophile" inners shed. After using a lot of different inner sleeves, I have settled on two--- the round bottom Japanese ones- sheer and not much substance, or the MA Records liner which is pricey and like a woven fabric (made from plants, I believe). The Japanese ones seem to leave the least amount of shedded material.
The issue for me is maintaining cleanliness. Whether that is exposure of the LP surface in unsleeving, playing (vortex action per Percy Wilson) or my skin shedding, I always find some surface lint on a record even after it has been deeply cleaned and properly sleeved. (I sleeve outside the jacket, using a outer jacket cover for this purpose). The room is dedicated, pet free, and rarely has any traffic apart from me.
I keep a hand held air puffer and a piece of silk handy for this surface clean up.
There is one brush I tried that I liked- it had some anti-static properties-- the Analog Relax-- but on balance, the problem isn’t really a strong static charge, just surface crap (which might be attracted because of some slight charge).
@Antinn got me to buy an anti-static cloth which I am going to try in lieu of the silk cloth.
You may have a different experience.
I look at the records under a pretty strong light at the turntable, am constantly dusting and vacuuming to keep the area clean, but it is the nature of the thing-- I’m not in a clean room wearing a special suit and goggles.

wash batches of lps OFF the turntable while listening to clean ones.

then, after clean, all I deal with is paper dust from inner sleeves, or airborne dust on the surface, not in the grooves. I have a large lint free cloth like a giant camera lens cleaner. I lay it lightly on the LP, turn the platter by hand, a simple lift of the dust, play. 

No more habitual anti-static dust brush, i.e. discwasher. no squirting fluid and being to impatient to wait for thorough dry.

have a peek at my system photos, around the 10th one shows my manual batch cleaner. 10 lp. the drying rack is the thing.

I scrub aggressively with a baby scalp brush (amazon, 3 pack), use the lid of a Chinese soup container to protect the paper label, and the bath is rinse only, distilled water. my mix, kit cleaner, add more alcohol, add a few drops of dishwasher anti-spotting i.e. jet-dry as a surfactant.

I guess I need to take a deep breath, slow down the process of listening to vinyls and be more religious about washing my records.
In the past records where just a tool and not some jewel.
In the old days (don’t know currently) if you are a “pro” dj, you join a few record pools and you get an allocation of the new release records (mostly singles/12” 45rpm) and don’t treat them well.
Only the ones you purchase (jazz, classic and some vocals) treat them well, and those albums are the ones in cleaner condition.
Thanks to all in showing me the multiple steps I should take to extra better fidelity from my vinyl.

Vinyl is the Source on a System that has the Turntable as the Front End.
The Monies spent on the TT and Ancillaries will be nest served if the Medium delivering the information is at its most readable when being read.
Alien Information can be removed with the care methods that is being discussed .
I clean ultrasonically, so that only a small amount of surface dust remains. I get rid of this by

1. platter and record powered up to speed
2. flop a corner of 'Tiger cloth' conductive microfibre on the moving record for 2 rotations

Good luck!

I have a US Tank that is yet to be utilised for cleaning purposes.
The end product of the Cleaning Method I have been using has been very impressive.
I cleaned a Brand New Album recently that had a little bit too much surface noise.
The cleaned album was noticeably improved for noise and sounded Clean, listening to cleanliness is a hard perception to get across and understood.
It is present whatever it is.
There is not an album that has been cleaned in 2021 that has not been impressive.
The cleaned album using the new method is potentially cleaning all the residuals from not so well thought out previous cleaning methods.

I have no doubt in my mind the solutions that are being produced for cleaning at present are capable of deep groove cleansing.  
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I'm double-jointed, but I can't quite drag the brush around 360 degrees, so I let the motor do the work.