You are relying on Google AI too much. You don't know the entire story.
military classification of unfit for military service, and as it applied to Bruce it was because he failed the physical.
He failed not because of any 'physical' problem. He acted crazy and appeared to have mental problems. All a phony act.
Freehold did have the rug factory go out due to competition from Imports. They were forced to close. Bruce made THEM into the bad guys. As if they closed the factory just to hurt the local workers. It was a logical business decision they HAD to do. This happens everywhere not just Freehold.
It also was his Fathers decision to work there in the first place. He wasn't forced to go there. Bruce NEVER worked there.
However, that was just a small blip and Freehold continued to grow with 1000's of jobs in the area. Today it's better than ever including the second largest mall in the state. But Bruce focused his negativity toward ONE isolated Rug factory. The fact remains...he grew up in a nice area that got even nicer. He or his father could have worked in numerous other places.
Bruce is a Billionaire but he is not completely self made. Let's give some credit to the record company that picked him up off the street and marketed him to great success.
He has always been negative toward the country that gave him so much.
Speaking of Slade, first discovered them 1972, "Slayed" album, loved the vibe of the band, none of my friends thought much of them. Slade didn't do particularly well here in US, sometimes US doesn't get certain Brit bands. Love the Christmas song, watch the videos repeatedly during the season, we didn't hear this back in day.
Congratulations simeo. You have just made the 500th post.
In the UK, ALL the old Christmas songs get played to death at that time….every year. A custom of sorts. Who said nostalgia isn’t what it used to be?
Seriously though, l believe that the nostalgia question was an ironic joke at heart.
Yes Slade’s Christmas song will always be up there with the “Band Aid” and Wham numbers, and not forgetting old Bing, and Bing and David. Us Brits are gluttons for punishment over the “Atlantic Sea” as it was called in the musical “Hair”
l can see now the internal politics. Freddie and junior and all that too. It explains all the current international trumping going on. I can see the seeds of “gee-o politics” that we are all now living with started right back then.
. . . it is also interesting that geedaddy has a problem with Bruce being a self made billionaire, as opposed to having his fortune handed to him on a silver platter via tax scams by his daddy so that he could blow most of it on bad deals and con jobs that ended up in multiple bankruptcies.
@mylogic, 4-F was/is the military classification of unfit for military service, and as it applied to Bruce it was because he failed the physical. Cadet Bonespurs, on the other hand, first got 4 educational deferrals (one was when he was attending Wharton’s School For Girls With Bone Spurs in Pa.) and then he got himself medically disqualified. Here is what he said about that subject, “I had a doctor that gave me a letter — a very strong letter on the heels."
As far as My Hometown and Freehold NJ, the subject of geedaddy’s little rant, keep in mind that the Born In The USA album was released in ’84 after nearly four years of Ronnie Ray-Gun’s redistribution of the wealth (upward) program and Freehold was still on a downward course. As Bruce was born in '49 he would have witnessed that track over the course of his youth and at the time the song/album was released. And yes, that post above was from a google, and no, I am not a historian. But to know what Ronnie was doing to the working men & women in the US one didn’t have to be a historian. I actually found work with an overseas company in the middle east at that time to get myself out of the hole I was in, since I didn’t have Bruce’s talent or Freddy Trump for a father.
@simao are you kidding? He was born into a working class circumstance in New Jersey for God’s sake. And he busted his ass as a musician from the time he could play. I mean, it’s not Stanley Kowalski hauling meat up the stairs laborer, but that’s a pretty working class upbringing
Not kidding. He did run from the draft.
When is being born into a "working class" circumstance an unfortunate situation? He didn't grow up in a slum. His house was decent in a middle class neighborhood in Freehold N.J. Not bad at all.
His father worked in a factory and wanted Bruce to be a productive member of the family. He refused to work and only wanted to 'play' his music. His father had issues with that.
He then sings about the hardships and social injustice that he never experienced. T He sings about life as a dead end street. Painting a picture that everything is wrong about America. He sings about his poor dying hometown and it just wasn't true!! Freehold N.J. is doing better than ever!
Capitalism is bad! But now, he himself is the $billionare because he WAS 'born in the U.S.A.' He should be thankful but it doesn't appear so. It's all a phony story.
He now lives a mile away from a Trump owned million dollar golf course community. Imagine that!
Great reply and counter punch. Reminded me of the social background and guts of the film “Rocky” plus the training sequence in the abattoir.
Knowledge is power.
@gdaddy1 are you kidding? He was born into a working class circumstance in New Jersey for God’s sake. And he busted his ass as a musician from the time he could play. I mean, it’s not Stanley Kowalski hauling meat up the stairs laborer, but that’s a pretty working class upbringing
Springsteen... "Born to Run" ... Run from the draft is what he did.. He makes up songs about the plight of the working class but never worked any job for one day in his life. Now he tries to be politically relevant. Even his own father couldn't stand him and hated his music.
l like the reasoning and stepping back and having another look, or listen as debated in these last two posts. The idea of this discussion was more about irritations and not hatred towards recording artists. I am sure more people like those artists mentioned than actually hate them.
The intention of the discussion was to say why any said artists were perceived as underachieved or bad and to share the reasoning why. I have mentioned a few times before to members to add more information as to the whys. Unfortunately most of the lists have just been that, just lists.
Any future members wanting to post on this discussion please add more facts to the debate. Declare exactly what it is that bugs you about these performers. Who knows some others on here may take note and revisit these artists and choose to agree or not. There may be more meaningful posts back (like the two above) with new informed attitudes or opinions.
There have now been 21,000+ posts. Thank you to everyone who have visited or have consistently revisited.
It is why it is useless to dress a list of what we love or hate...It is part of our personal journey...
Especially if we dont have any explanation about why we love it or hate it...
For example i can understand why the Bob Dylan voice is repulsive to many...
But why did i learn to love his voice tone ?
Because i paid attention to poetry...
Why many people dislike Persian music or Mozart operas?
Because they dont pay attention to it....
Tastes are like a beast born from our attention and we must learn how to tame it... At least to some extent.... We cannot love everything in the same way and on the same level...
@mahgister that’s a good call on how it tastes are required by circumstance and sometimes by accident. As much as anyone on this post reviles a particular artist or genre, we know we all have certain artists and taste that most others would just cringe from but we absolutely love! I acquired my love of rush because one of my college teammates played it on the bus on the way back from a game and all the sudden that magic voice instrumentals just hit home. But then again, I can dive deep into Coltrane or AUTUMN! Or Julie London, and still guiltlessly Revel in Debbie Gibson or Katy Perry.
@mahgister that’s a good call on how it tastes are required by circumstance and sometimes by accident. As much as anyone on this post reviles a particular artist or genre, we know we all have certain artists and taste that most others would just cringe from but we absolutely love! I acquired my love of rush because one of my college teammates played it on the bus on the way back from a game and all the sudden that magic voice instrumentals just hit home. But then again, I can dive deep into Coltrane or AUTUMN! Or Julie London, and still guiltlessly Revel in Debbie Gibson or Katy Perry.
Bono and Co. are doing some celebratory concerts in the UK. They were promoting them on live breakfast time TV.
Bono looked quite scary and ridiculous as usual wearing bright iridescent orange sunglasses.
He reminded me of Robin Williams wearing those goggles from that scene in “Flubber”…… l was flubberghasted how stupid he looked. His other band members should politely tell him, the “Minions” look…. is just not a good look.
He also now appears to have actually morphed into a Robin Williams look-alike.
Check him out…...has Bono now become a recording artist you just can’t look at?
A very true quote, but it can equally apply to those batting for the other camp.
l think we are both on here as we are not currently toiling earnestly and do-gooding.
It is a Bank Holiday here in the UK but as usual it is also raining. I must sign off now. The last resort is to watch “The Ten Commandments” on TV again for quite possibly the tenth time. At least it is guaranteed to generate a good laugh at Charlton Heston’s beard.
Great musical score by Elmer Bernstein, but the over acting by Edward (Mother of mercy, is this the end of Rico”) G. Robinson, playing Dathan is a performance that “l just can’t watch”
Tastes were acquired,by accidental exposure at critical times, by training, by education,by attention to some aspects of any multidimensional events as music and songs...
Tastes are never right or wrong , they are meaningful habits or meaningless one...
We kept our tastes because they are part of our being, as a luggage is indication of our origin, destination and intentions...
We must educate ourselves...
We must think about what we like and dislike and why...
Sometimes our taste reflect a good intuition about aesthetics and meanings sometimes they reflect our ignorance...
We will never understand our biases, innate or acquired, if we do not extend our scope of attention...
Music and speech are yogas....Not only leisure... Black or light yogas...
The effect of sounds on our own beings is so huge we cannot be conscious of it without meditation...
Thoughtless tastes will stay at worst meaningless or at best pleasurable habits....
We cannot change all our tastes and it is not the goal, but we can change our own attention level...
My thinking too (poor English) from the comments of our US correspondent when l read his reply.
George Bernard Shaw said, “Two Nations divided by a common language”
“American” (if a real language) is a bastardised language. Leads to all sorts of misunderstandings.
Maybe a typo? Benefit of the doubt? Shall will let him off (not like a firework, we don’t want a misunderstanding) on that one? “Poorly Phrase” could be like, American “math” V English “Maths”….another bastardisation. (US…Bastardization)
Better not be too rude, we could end up with litigation proceedings and find ourselves in court. So let’s “drop the dead donkey” (English expression) and leave it at that.
An interesting discussion all the same. Perhaps it’s best to just let us agree to disagree?
Kermit from “The Muppets Show” couldn’t sing either. Perhaps it runs in the family?
@expoobidentNo problem with you liking Edith, just not my glass full of champagne.
Edith, was an icon of her time
But sadly, just not one of mine
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A personal thank you from me to the guys who re-energised this discussion in the last week and pushed it back into the charts🤸🏿♂️
A mile stone 20,000 views + 460 responses were recorded when l checked this morning.
Never expected the discussion to achieve this level of interest.🚀
Another vote for Kermit the Frog. I mean come on, he has no range, has a really nasal sound, and does he even play one instrument? Never saw the appeal.
Yes. 99% of recording "artists" are mediocre to awful. I love Edith Piaf, though. Also Miles, Trane, Bird, Monk, Bach, the Bee, Schubert, Ravi Shankar, Varése, Muddy, Wolf, both Walters . . . it goes on (my library of recordings is probably 40,000+). But 99% is dross.
l have out of interest looked at some of your previous posts. Very truthful on the counterfeit market and the perpetrators which should be more talked about, acted upon, not tollerated, and not ignored/dismissed by so many.
I was wondering what your previous post was saying….Is there an artist or artists by that name? Was this post legit or is it counterfeit, or intended for another subject?
Ultimately is it a “piss take?”
l for one given the choice would personally take “pissed off” rather than “pissed on” 🌂
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