before you buy just look at the reputation of seller and the last 10 review ,, sometime the shop have high rating but the last orders not good ,, anyway i have a question about true or fake this transistor https://youtube.com/shorts/zRakw_KIfWI?feature=share ,, somebody can confirm?
Are these fake?
Seller is in China, looks fake due the price of course... but I know sometimes they can be "fell off the truck" situations. Insight anyone?
https://ebay.us/yzeBQ0
https://ebay.us/yzeBQ0
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Hello all in this thread, Graeme Coley (Sales & Marketing) for Furutech Japan here. Absolutely the receptacle in the link (eBay.com) is a copy. Along with a few other copy GTX-D receptacles, it should be removed from eBay in a day or two. Thanks for the heads up. Please note that no Furutech products or product parts are made in China and import duties on Japanese products shipping into China are extremely high. It would be impossible for an authentic Furutech product to ship from China at anything less than double the price you would pay in the US or pretty much anywhere else in the world. Any Furutech badged product listed on eBay, amazon, Alibaba that ships out of China will be fake. Also as a caution, there have been numerous cases of Chinese sourced copy Furutech product listed on Japanese eBay and amazon. In the US, visit VH Audio or Cable Co. webstores for authentic Furutech product. Thanks! |
I never really planned on buying the China knock off, but was mostly wondering how counterfeit it ‘really’ was, not just in aesthetics. There’s always talk about the same production facilities offloading surplus to black market, I know this very well from encountering it quite often in my dayjob. Alas, no pirate Furutech products were purchased over here. Thank you all. If lockdown has been good for anything in my home, it’s been DIY. Installed the whole house surge protector last week, and yesterday finished pulling 50ft of 10 gauge cable through 50ft of conduit in the crawl space under my house. To say I’m in physical pain is an understatement LOL. But because I bypassed the cost of an electrician running the dedicated circuit, I ‘splurged‘ on a SR blue duplex and plate. I know there’s lots of heated debate on here over the SR receptacle bring simply a juiced up Leviton, so I installed it alongside a Leviton to A/B and see if I can hear a difference between the two, won’t be a true A/B since it’s not the exact base but we’ll see. My ears might be there yet, but again, bored in lockdown and needed projects. http://files.esp-institute.com/picdump/IMG_0532.jpg |
I have been in the audio industry more than 35 yrs. First my opinion is that they are fake. Second concerning anything to due with AC power is," UL rated and tested". If the product is fake and your home burns down, I hope the insurance investigator does not find it. But all thats important is did you purchase the real thing , and as others have mentioned what comes out of China is not always what it appears. |
At that price, here's hoping someone takes the bait so we can find out the sources of these fakes. They might be really good units but some seller decided to slap the Furutech moniker on them--that's the crime. I recently bought a desk lamp from Amazon, but it wasn't Amazon--it was someone in China. If I want to return it, it appears that I have to go through some rigmarole or other to get a refund. Beware! |
FURUTECH flags them as cheap POS fakes http://www.furutech.com/2013/02/02/1746/ “ .... Caution* eBay, Amazon and Rakuten resellers in Japan are not authorized Furutech dealers. Caution* There have been confirmed cases of counterfeit products (Furutech replicas) being sold out of China and Hong Kong on eBay and www.aliexpress.com. Furutech advises against purchasing from either site any “Furutech” labeled product that ships from China or Hong Kong....” Looks like Millercarbon called it for what it is.... full-stop. |
Furutech addresses this on its website.
http://www.furutech.com/2013/02/02/1750/ scroll to the bottom. It says do not buy any of their products on eBay that ship out of China or Hong Kong due to the possibility they are counterfeit. |
glupson, I’m right-handed....I have them ’hit me’ on the left.... If they need both arms, I’m likely unconscious and incoherent.... The latter is normal, though..*G* Together I’m not likely to be listening to anything but the interior dialogues.... Hospital food is ghastly and annoying...Between my not eating, and the volume rising each day, they're generally happy to give me 'early release'. Other than that, I'm pretty charming....in a deceptive sort of fashion... ;) |
Hospital grade plugs are noted for their tight grip so that someone cannot so easily accidentally pull out the cable. Audiophile grade plugs, by contrast, and audiophile grade outlets are at least one paradigm ahead of hospital grade plugs and outlets for a variety of reasons havIng to do with SQ. Next up, Graphene contact enhancers and micro arcing. Perhaps we shall discuss audiophile wall outlet covers for unused wall outlets? Like mine. |
My first thought was the inside materials and construction. Where the electrical connections will be made. None was shown in the pictures. I'm not saying grounding is not important. Peeking into the receptacle holes, looks like tin or aluminum to me. Like many things we do as audiophiles my thought on the best power receptacle is, no receptacle. A pain to accomplish. But we do just about anything for the sake of our music. |
"In hospitals outlets are color coded for dedicated use with specific equipment. They are all the same heavy duty quality."What is the difference in them, if the quality is all the same? What are the color codes? EDIT: I found some explanation... https://www.quora.com/What-do-all-the-colored-electrical-outlets-in-a-hospital-indicate https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.home.repair/J07k_viwHSo |
It really bugs me the way people fail to distinguish between the two (at least) very different ways in which the term is used. 1. fake news=the political equivalent of military disinformation; highly exaggerated or totally invented "news" items circulated by politicians to inflame their base and/or smear their opposition and/or deflect attention from what is really going on. 2. fake news=a label that constitutes a derogatory attack on reliable and reputable news outlets that are reporting news that the attacker doesn't like and doesn't want widely disseminated; an attempt to invalidate or at least spread insidious doubt. The invention and widespread use these days of #2 muddies the waters and creates confusion in identifying the numerous instances of #1. |
Don’t worry regulations that protect US from companies willing to poison us to make a buck are being chopped left and right (mostly right) to bring down costs so we can compete economically with China. Between us trying to be more like China and China trying hard to be more like us there will not be much difference anymore at some point maybe pretty soon. |
millercarbon Maybe you should read your post again. Bringing CNN and MSNBC into the discussion about what constitutes fake has nothing to do with answering a question about audio equipment. You make your political views very clear in your posts. Taliban? That's just nonsensical and weak. I'm willing to keep my political views out of the forums if you will do the same. Now, teach me something about audio equipment, and I don't mean snake oil. Sorry, I couldn't resist. |
I bought a "Zero Zone" preamp through Tubes4Hifi that is marketed on ebay and Ali Express as a "CJ clone" circuit. Maybe fake CJ, but a real enough preamp, and I like it...quiet, musical, ample gain. https://www.ebay.com/itm/Manual-PRT-05A-12AX7-Tube-preamplifier-base-on-conrad-johnson-CL-preamp-L12-47/223301718438?hash=item33fdd1d1a6:m:mKp_xSlSUVPnceIs3J14row I use it with a Mytek Liberty, Node 2i, and vinyl theough a MoFi UltraPhono. Works for me. Moral: plenty to be wary of coming out of China, but some nuggets... |
I would say 90% of anything coming off eBay or Amazon are suspect and should be avoided.Gross oversimplification. I have purchased many items, new and used on eBay and Amazon including a $40k SL55 and my Cary Audio mono block amps. Total satisfaction. All you have to do is be a smart shopper and do your due diligence on what you're buying. J.Chip |
isochronism Miller, that was a concise consciencess rundown of fakery. >>>>>Excellent attempt at spelling! Pretty close! 🤗 |
cal91- Millercarbon: why do you feel the need to continually bring your far right political views into discussions about audio equipment? So now its "far right" even to answer a question about audio components made in China on a thread specifically asking about audio components made in China. Please Mr Taliban tell us what speech is allowed. Maybe post a thread listing precisely which views we are allowed to espouse without threat of insult. Which is precisely what you did. Its called an insult. Not an argument. Face it cal91, you have no argument. If you had them you would use them. You have only insults. Well, I will not be bullied by your insults.Yours or anyone else’s. |
No question fake. This is what China does. I have a friend who own a company that analyzes products that clients bring in. Most are prototypes made in China that are 1/4 the price for made in USA. Some of the findings, a stainless steel impeller for a food processor infused with 75% lead. The enamel finish of a cast iron tub that contained over 300 toxic chemicals in the paint. Then we all know the Chinese drywall that was the cause of copper water lines to erode and burst. Also remember that Amazon and eBay are the dumping grounds for this garbage. On Amazon even the toilet paper is counterfeit. There is a difference between getting a good deal and saving money. |
+1 nd_72 -1 millercarbon Millercarbon: why do you feel the need to continually bring your far right political views into discussions about audio equipment? I get it; any attempt to hold your hero accountable amounts to "fake news". You drank the kool-aid and apparently you are quite proud of your membership in a cult of personality. I'm done. Now, I'm interested in learning about audio equipment. |
It is also worth remembering the Chinese do their luxury goods shopping in branded shops in Europe and the USA. They know full well if they use the shops in China they are likely to get a fake. On some occasions a completely fake branded shop has been established and open for a few hours or days offering 'discounts'. Shades of 'The Sting'. Like I said - the wild west, or perhaps east. |
On fake Rolexes. Many years ago I was sitting by the pool in Thailand with a friend. He had shown me his new 'Rolex' and I simply said it was nice. A little later we decided to cool off in the pool and he started to remove the watch. 'You don't need to take that off, it's waterproof to 1,000 feet'. Oh, this one I do!' |
Hi radblue This is just one of the many dangers of doing business in China. The over-production scam has been going for years and will continue. If said amp retails for $10,000 and can be manufactured as additional numbers on an existing line for $750, there is a temptation most cannot resist to bang out some more and sell them at $6,000. Nothing can be done, China is the wild west, there is no rule of law or legal system in the Western sense and in any case the Chinese courts will always favour their own. Many businesses opening up in China have been cheated. I know of one international blue chip that simply closed their factory in China and walked away. They were being cheated so badly and couldn't do anything. Moral. We need to try to reduce our business with China so they realise they need to clean up a bit. |