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Humans require CO2 as well we can’t live without it. Good Lord! This is the level of ignorance we are up against! NO! Humans do NOT require CO2! CO2 is in fact as far as humans are concerned the same as CO, carbon monoxide. Both odorless gases that can cause asphyxiation. That means you can suffocate and DIE breathing it. Exactly the OPPOSITE of plants which CANNOT LIVE WITHOUT IT. LIFE. DEATH. DO YOU UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE????! The ignorance is staggering, and yet YOU feel comfortable making fun of ME! Why? The madness of crowds. Hate to break it to you guys, but every single one of you warmists are in your own way just as silly and flat out wrong and misinformed as this dude here. Who I would like to say is in a class of his own. But he’s not. Not by a long shot. He’s got plenty of company. What would be nice is if you would realize when it comes to science there is no safety in numbers. DYODD. Please. |
I am baffled... Do you read other thing than newpapers? In biology, what is relatively negative for a living organism and relatively positive for another one are in reality a feedback very complex mechanism called ecosystem and metabolism... The 2 are in fact the same because for nature inside and outside had no absolute separation...Plant and humans are inseparably linked ... Then even arsenic for example or other chemicals are good for health sometimes or in an infinitesimal dose...This fact is a microbiological medicine fact called balance homeostasis in living systems...The keyword to understand is not bad or good Co2 , it is the concept of balance... Caricatural pose separating facts in separate drawers for the knocking down of someone is a clown act in a circus not science lessons... By the way i am an ignorant, but I pretend to be able to think under no flag.... |
millercarbon, I totally agree with you but you could put it in a nicer way. There are many very intelligent people who are totally ignorant on the subject of climate science. The problem is that most of them have no idea how ignorant they are. I can say this as I was a Biology major at the University of Vermont and specialized in Ecology. mahgister, all you have to do is look closely at the past starting about 4.5 million years ago. Look at weather conditions and atmospheric composition through time as earth evolved and decide for yourself. You have to read the transcript:) |
mijostyn Thanks for your balance reply and polite one... I am not a biologist at all, then ignorant for all these matters...But looking at various climatic geological scales will only reveal the regular periodical instabilities, or homeostasis of earth and the cosmic exterior influences... The fact that human activities accelerate or contribute to reverse some trends is the crux of the matter...I dont think it is possible to humans now only by themselves to revert earth cycles, but to act in unity without increasing the worst to comes is the goal, not going on with past used economic concepts that applied no more to what will comes ... Lesson from the past in human life or in earth life is only this one: Nothing is perfectly stable... But we can and must consciously adjust ourselves, especially now it is possible for the first times in human history... Negation of changes, pursuit of the same economic habits had no more sense... |
An ignorant chap who read that could be led to believe that the actual end of the world was at stake. What Hanson was saying was the tipping point of being able to keep rising temps within a 1ºC rise over a certain time frame was at stake. One must be wary about how info is presented. All the best, Nonoise |
"We have only four years left." ___ James Hanson, director of the Goddard Institute for Space Studies, a division of NASA. Predicted in 2009. Very easy to deform truth indeed... This was not false doom prediction, this is an urgent invitation to act after his own reading analysis models conclusion and to act at the right times window, being right scientifically speaking or being wrong is always a possibility and a chapter in science history; but not urging to act in your soul and spirit when you think so is criminal... Then cititation out of the context of this model analysis window that urge humans to act, interpretating that like a doom prediction only, and after that suggesting that this prediction is patently false because we are all here, this is bordering on fraud practice at worst, stupid political propaganda at best...I dont know what your profession is but like mine it is not science... This guy is not an angel nor Einstein and many serious people criticize his exaggerated interpretation but it is no excuse for you( not a climate scientist or are you one of his peer?) to reduce him to be a total fraud by linking his urge to act to doom prophecy only... Balance of views on many levels is the culprit of thinking process... I apologize for a second times I think to nonoise that say the same thing shorter and better than me before me, I confess to have many human defects...:) |
millercarbon, I totally agree with you but you could put it in a nicer way. One of the pre-requisites for radiologic technologist is microbiology. Its a lot more detailed than it used to be. Everything is mapped out step by step right down to the atom. Photosynthesis, at one point it becomes painstakingly obviously in your face, clear and plain, if there isn't enough CO2 there isn't any photosynthesis. Which was a shock, having been told for years how bad CO2 is, to see so starkly black and white plants absolutely will die without it. So just to be clear I stick up my hand and say, "So CO2 is a limiting factor in plant growth?" Which clearly it is. The answer is yes. That's not what I got. What I got instead was a five minute diatribe that started, "This is what republicans say when they want you to think we can all drive SUVs and burn" blah blah yada yada for like 5 minutes. At the end of which he says, finally, "Yes." This was 15 years ago. Until then it was pretty easy to fall for the warmist narrative, even though by then the narrative had already been falsified by the mere passage of time, it being a good 10 years past the point we were told all the green Doug fir in Western Washington would be dead from forest fires. But let's just go with 15 years. That's a long time to be lied to, and know you're being lied to, and to have to suck it up and endure sanctimonious lectures from a guy you are actually paying to educate- not indoctrinate. Educate. Which is bad enough all by itself. But the lies are all being used to steal my money, and time, and make everyone's lives worse not better. Then on top of that they all preach and carry on with their sanctimonious we're the good people act when in reality they're Pod people, Stepford wives, Children of the Corn, Zombies. So, do I go off on them? Yes. Yes I do. Would I be better off being nice? Not so sure about that. For sure they do not deserve it. Nice is how you treat immature little kids who can't be expected to know any better. What's their excuse? |
Which is bad enough all by itself. But the lies are all being used to steal my money, and time, and make everyone’s lives worse not better. Then on top of that they all preach and carry on with their sanctimonious we’re the good people act when in reality they’re Pod people, Stepford wives, Children of the Corn, Zombies.This reminds me of the Simpson shows...A perfect mixed balance of right and wrong, false and truth, impossible to work out...Only one way left is smiling...If it is possible out of the show tough... :) But we are most of us, me included, guilty to pity ourselves, to amuse ourselves using others, to bend the truth to our own taste, but at the end, perhaps it is necessary to think harder and be silent...I say that part of my post to myself first like a prayer... |
Maybe when folks here someday get the science behind expensive esoteric and very poorly documented hifi tweaks down to the extent needed to have a meaningful discussion then there might be a useful discussion of more serious matters like climate change. Meanwhile posting here is at least free so people will get their money’s worth. |
Carbon dioxide is ESSENTIAL in humans. If we didn’t have any carbon dioxide in our bodies to regulate blood Ph and determine the bond between oxygen and hemoglobin for release in cells and tissue we wouldn’t live very long. Low carbon dioxide causes blood vessels to constrict it also causes decreased uptake of glucose raising your blood sugar. Having low carbon dioxide messes up oxygen distribution in the body it’s known as the Bohr effect. It was discovered by Neil Bohr’s father. Did you think the only thing we did was exhale it? Yeah you’re right, the level of ignorance is staggering. Humans require CO2 as well we can’t live without it. |
Why do radical environmentalists appear to be so anti-human? Is there a hidden agenda there somewhere?Because in any crowds, in any trends, there is out of the Bell curve rarities, eccentricities of the mind, obsessions, improbable possibles that are only the heads and tails of some event in the history of consciousness ... The error is to identify ourselves totally to one trend, without no more conscious critical thinking...And believing that exaggerate foolishness is the mark of the trend we dont like only is precisely the end of our thinking... For example political parties, being democrat or republican, are not suppose to be only opposite ennemies camp, but waves complementing each others in a true acting living democracy where like in a living organism one trend complement the other in a balancing free political act ... When they are only enemies democracy is dying or dead...It is on TV if you open it up, near the Simpsons show... |
Why do radical environmentalists appear to be so anti-human? Is there a hidden agenda there somewhere?There you go again. Stating as true something which is not, and proceeding from there. If you can't get your premise right, what can one do but smile and carry on. To help perpetuate an alternative universe where only alternative, convenient facts reside makes for a lot of bumping into reality, which probably accounts for all the political outbursts that come up in audio forums. All the best, Nonoise |
mapman Maybe when folks here someday get the science behind expensive esoteric and very poorly documented hifi tweaks down to the extent needed to have a meaningful discussion then there might be a useful discussion of more serious matters like climate change. Meanwhile posting here is at least free so people will get their money’s worth. >>>>Uh, oh, any time there’s talk of snow the flakes show up. ❄️ ❄️ ❄️ |
If you dispose all odds numbers, beginnings with the number 5, in a 6 levels rectangular infinite array of equal little squares on each level and go looking for the primes, chasing them with the chess movement of the rooks, the bishops, and the knights, you will see all the primes only left...Squaring each primes will gives you all the rest to infinities.... Very beautiful and containing visually the flavored essence of number theory...Begins with the number 5.... :) After that,transpose this rectangular array on an hexagonal tiling plane instead, beginning with 5 also, around a center hexagonal unit of the tilings and you will see the primes numbers lightning on 2 of the 3 axes … This hexagonal increasing spiral between these 2 axes is one of the mysteries behind snowflakes and number theory... These abyssal geometrical harmonies are veiled by the, at first glance, trivial numerical fact that all primes are congruence modulo 6...The Euler Pi/6 formula for the sum of squares you will see... I suggest that like an unending puzzle to mind bored by agendas... This meditation opens for me some beautiful doors ... |
Classic attack the opposition with slander rather than presenting a counter argument. And it’s pretty astonishing to say.... "..it being a good 10 years past the point we were told all the green Doug fir in Western Washington would be dead from forest fires." When a good chunk of Australia burns and CA has been beset by historically massive forest fires. |
Wow!! That is exactly how the super beings in Contact communicated with Earth! “Those are Prime numbers!” Then they sent the video of Hitler speaking at the 1936 Olympics to see if the guys and gals at the antenna array in the desert were on their toes. Then they sent plans for building a time machine. |
Nope, with all due respect to Groucho, my audio system is also a time machine. Last night I invited Billy Holliday into the listening room to transport me back to the live performance she did with the Gerry Mulligan Quartet at one of the Montreux Jazz Festivals. Frank |
The problem with time and audio is that the time coordinates when the recording was made are captured on the recording, just as a camera captures the time coordinates on the photograph. The problem arises when the recording is played back, at some point in the future. The time coordinates that are integral to the recording interfere with our natural internal “time clock,” which is always PRESENT TIME. The confusion in the brain over conflicting time coordinates degrade our perception of sound significantly. The real sound, the very good sound, is in the room but we just can’t hear it properly or completely. |
One year at WSU, thought it would be fun to take Philosophy 210 Symbolic Logic. Fascinating course, it basically teaches you how to reason, rationally and impersonally, and gives you the tools to comprehend whether or not an argument is sound. Totally removes rhetoric, emotional appeals, all of that. Logic functions at this level are either, or, and, and if/then. So for example somebody says if this or that then the other, the statement will be true if this is true, and if that is true, and if both are true. Only if this and that are both false is the statement false. Read that one again, because this is literally how it works. This or that could be anything. That's where it gets depersonalized. That's where it becomes pure logic. Okay. So most of the tests consist of fairly simple statements just like the one above, only with this and that replaced with more contentious terms just to see if the students really understand and are able to reason and use the logic functions properly. Fine. Until this one test, midterm maybe, and its quite a bit harder and the last four questions are a couple paragraphs each. You're supposed to read them through, cross out all the flowery nonsense (which in the test as in real life is upwards of 90%) in order to restate the text in logic operands, and then work through them and conclude the argument is sound or not. There's four of these and I work through them and look around and nobody else seems anywhere near done. Well the last thing you want is a bad grade after walking out early. So I go through the whole test again. Still nobody done. Oh well. Not my problem. Its nice outside! Next class, glum glowering faces all around. WTF? I get my test back. 100%. But how can it be 100% when there's points taken off on one? Turns out the test was so hard nobody (except me) was even close to finishing. The prof gave them extra time, and let them all choose one of the four to skip. So the one I didn't get quite right didn't count anyway, and I got 100%. This was a junior/senior level class. So no freshmen. These were all college students. They signed up for the class. They wanted to get a good grade. They were in other words very capable, and highly motivated. They had everything going for them, and yet found the subject so hard most barely squeaked by with a passing grade. Its no wonder then that of a random selection of forum posters many will be incapable of anything even resembling rational thought. |
I took logic in college too. Guess what? Logic is an important tool but it’s still totally useless on its own in regards to drawing proper conclusions. You have to feed the logic all the right facts for that. Not incorrect or selective facts for sure. An example many are familiar with is early on, Mr Spock in Star Trek had trouble drawing conclusions about humans because he was unable to get the right facts regarding human emotion. But he learned over time. |
CO2 & us: https://www.lenntech.com/carbon-dioxide.htm Check out the last paragraph under Environmental Problems. It's a real knee slapper. Also, it's role in humans is nicely explained. All the best, Nonoise |
Interesting article, nonoise. Thanks for posting it. Seeing as how trees would soak up the overabundance of CO2, you must be in favor of The Orange Man's agreement to the planting of a trillion trees, no? https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/energy/trump-pledges-to-help-plant-1-trillion-trees Frank |
"One of the pre-requisites for radiologic technologist is microbiology." Not everywhere. https://www.iccms.edu/MajorPDFs/T59.pdf audiogon should hire a full-time fact-checker. I mean, it is fine to volunteer, but what gets thrown out here really needs a full-time dedication. |
Would Trump's plan be something like Obama wanted? https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/promise/262/create-incentives-for-tree-planting-and-promote-ca/ Also, that proposal you mention is being done to give the impression that Trump is an environmentalist. The whole idea of planting more trees has been going on since his first year in office: https://www.vox.com/energy-and-environment/2017/8/21/16151244/trump-forest-environmentalists-planting-trees-thwart-president In fact, planting more trees has been a "duh" moment for ages. Then, there's this:https://www.climateadvisers.com/trumpbacktracker/ Scroll down to IMPACT OVERVIEW and click on "how many trees...." and you'll see just how many will be needed to offset policies enacted now by Trump and what it will add up to if all of his policies are allowed to continue. All the best, Nonoise |
Trees are sentient living beings and conscious one.... Imagine our amazement when we all will awake to that fact? It is no more new age salad... You can smile at me or with me …. :) I dont know how Glupson will check this fact.... :) Oups! it is not a fact, only a dream being true, but a dream for now for most....No need checking... |
The average fir trees emits 500 gallons of O2 a day. Trees and the oceans are the lungs of the planet. They're all part of that delicate balance. Destroy the trees and acidify the oceans and it's all a matter of time before adjustments made by nature come back around to knock us all on our collective asses. All the best, Nonoise |
500 gallons of O2 a day Malarkey. O2 is a gas. Gallons are volume. The volume of a gas varies with temperature and pressure. Gallons of O2 is therefore meaningless. It only gets worse from there. Oh well. You will all be pleased to know the greatest president of all time is busy planting a trillion trees. So you must love him. |
I miss snow . I still live in the exact same town, but growing up in central Ohio sixty years ago and having sleds, ice skates and winter gear for Christmas was always a BLAST. We ice skated all winter in the local ponds, snow sledded down all the neighborhood hills. Those days are gone. I know its "fake". But all this fakeness has brought on no snow, no frozen ponds, no winter activities. But man does it RAIN. Real wet, but no winter. Just mud. I think its more like the amazon than my old Ohio used to be. Not real fun stuff. Just mud all winter. I liked it better before all this "fakeness" showed up. |
For those who are handicapped by their beliefs, here is the way to figure out relative volumes of gases: http://www.airproducts.com/Products/Gases/gas-facts/conversion-formulas/weight-and-volume-equivalents/oxygen.aspx All the best, Nonoise |
Good evening....*S* Regardless of one's political/environmental stance, planting a tree or 3 doesn't have to be considered a revolutionary act. They're generally quiet and make good neighbors. The shade (properly planned for) is a great place to hang on a hot sunny day. And you can mulch the leaves, or just mow them into the turf and get the same effect. They come in a pretty wide variety, because one size doesn't fit all. Some have fruit as well...as well as the O2 'freebie'. They're not even all that expensive, either. Wander into a forest, and you can find 'volunteers' (sprouts) for free. Sounds like a 'win-win' IMHO.... |
