Tekton Double Impact & Comb Filtering
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Thank you david_ten Unfortunately, a "moderator" doesn't have a similar sense of humor or literary expertise and removed my Shakespearean post to another poster who I certainly deem as a damaging entity to a business based on baseless innuendo, lies, misbegotten misinformation, and other "crimes and misdemeanors." Yet, his foolish posts live. Something to to think about: when a poster makes outrageous claims against a product, business, unwarranted and not substantiated by facts, just comical BS, one needs to question the dogged attacks. Are they a rival business using Internet forums to sully a business rival? Are they the boyfriend of an ex-wife? Or any myriad of other illegitimate reasons. Most of the data in this thread by the dissenting minority is innuendo and fraudulent. There is also sidelong personal attracts against Eric Alexander, the designer of Tekton. The "moderator" should look at some of those crass attacks and gross disturbing distortions by some posters. Best, mikirob |
Hey Tekton fans! I ran across acrimony regarding Tekton fans on another thread tonight. I am totally new to Tekton and have no bias against them. In lieu of reading this entire 7 page thread can someone explain how Mr. Alexander can deliver so much (11 drivers) in the Double Impact and a competent crossover network for $3000.00? What's the secret sauce? Just wanting to learn what allows the Tektons to do what people attest to at such a modest price point. Thanks for illuminating me. |
Hifiman5, This speakers are sold direct which will reduce the retail price. They could simply be "under priced" for the performance rendered. I had an opportunity to hear the Double Impacts driven by my 300b SET amplifier earlier this week. This is a very good sounding speaker. I would remind you that the negative comments directed toward this speaker are from people who haven’t listened to them, or consider them unworthy due to their cost. In my opinion you don’t have a valid opinion of an audio product if you haven’t heard it. I’m well aware that this doesn’t inhibit unsubstantiated speculation, conclusions and opinion. Charles |
Thanks @charles1dad ! Like I said I am not in any way bashing them. As you so correctly pointed out, I haven't heard them!! I'm just trying to figure out how Tekton does it at such low price points. I gather people just buy these speakers based on testimonials and professional reviews (which are few from what I could find). The business model of the company is hard to come to grips with. Thanks for helping me understand this audiophile outlier. |
Hifiman5 Based on your logic wondering how Tekton DI only cost $3,000 retail, the opposite could also be true. Even if a speaker maker quadruple Tekton's cost internally, wire, capacitors, speakers and so forth, how does he justify a $30,000 to $50,000 price point? I have Devore 0/96 and Harbeth SHL5s. I bet their internals don't cost mega bucks more than the Tekton DIs. How do they justify their cost? Nice cabinetry? I judge everything in my system by how it sounds to my ears in my environment. Best, mikirob |
Hifiman5 It must be difficult to be so in the dark about business models. If you think real hard perhaps, just maybe you can figure it out. I'm always amazed when a company such as Tekton produces something worthy/significant at a reasonable cost and instead of accolades or a well done for their accomplishment they engender attacks, like in this thread. Extremely weird. mikirob |
Hi Mikirob, You judge audio products by how they sound? Well so do I, Yes I understand that this is a strange and unconventional approach 😊 There’s an odd aspect of the High End audio community in that products can be looked down upon and dismissed "because "of their lower price. There’s an ongoing thread that basically takes aim at Tekton Double Impacts and their owners. Essentially the premise is the speaker is "midlevel " quality and undeserving of the high attention level it has garnered. The OP of that thread hasn’t heard the Double Impact but deems it is not true High End caliber. How one can glean so much information based on preformed assumptions is a mystery. There is a snooty snob attitude at work and this isn’t uncommon in the audiophile sector. Brand status and very high cost are required for approval or Acceptance. Perhaps that OP and others of that mindset would find the Double Impacts unsuitable by their lofty standards, okay that’s fine. I'm a free market advocate and believe people can spend what ever they want, that’s their call. My only point is to base an opinion on actual listening. I’ve heard very expensive speakers and some of them are truly superb sounding, yet still could be considered overpriced. This is subjective I freely acknowledge. I do believe that higher price is actually viewed as a definite plus factor for a certain segment of audiophiles. That’s okay as there are always going to be distinct niches formed and individuals will decide where they fit in. My criteria is listen first and then offer a honest impression. Maybe Tekton's pricing model intimidates some, who knows. Charles |
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Charles1dad As always on Audiogon you are clarion bell of clarity, common sense, good manners as well as many other positive attributes. And, as such I fully endorse your words. I also deeply respect how you listen and evaluate products and music. You are honest and fair. It sickens me in certain threads the stupidity expressed; the illegitimate ranting vitriol against a audio product a person or persons has never heard. For no sound reason these members create out of thin air, based on nothing, a negative bias. Not only that, in doing so these members insult the Audiogon members who have purchased the product and report good sound, reviewers, as well as the designer who has labored to design a worthy product. This is a shame. The "Moderator(s)" on Audiogon ought to be ashamed of themselves to allow unwarranted attacks of product not actually bought or listened too. Instead, they delete responses to the dogged attacks because???? Oh, you fed the dogs in kind their own nonsense. You were as harsh as they were. Best, mikirob |
hifiman5: Think that Eric's business model can be explained by considering the broad changes that have taken place in the cultural/musical/audio fields since the 1980s. At this time there was a major shift in preference to visual over musical interest. All musical-related fields saw a downturn that affected certain areas first -- professionals in the field and retail establishments. At first, the tendency was for these areas to go high end -- there is still a small market for aficionados and these can be mined for a certain amount of time. Thus Fazioli pianos and Wilson speakers thrived. The downturn has continued, however, and now it is impossible to find a grand piano dealer in most towns and hard-copy music and audio stores have gone the way of the dinosaur (yes, I know there are Best Buy stores but you know what they offer). So, in this environment, Eric must offer a "budget" equivalent to high-end products at a fraction of the cost -- to attract new buyers who want the best but cannot (or will not) pay $30k. This is exactly what he has done -- using the techniques described above. Here's my advice -- get your speakers from him ASAP as it will be difficult for Eric to justify the tremendous tensions and energy required for his business model over any length of time. BTW, as a lifelong music historian, I can suggest that cultural shifts tend to move back towards musical preference in the mid parts of the century. SO, wait another 30 years or so and the broad picture might improve (LOL). |
So, in this environment, Eric must offer a "budget" equivalent to high-end products at a fraction of the cost -- to attract new buyers who want the best but cannot (or will not) pay $30k. I agree and I think that Tekton should be considered along with Magnepan, Spatial Audio, Ohm, Zu? and Vandersteen because all of these companies do something DIFFERENT and compete with speakers that are much more expensive when it comes to sound reproduction. |
He owns the Devore and justified the price to himself based on how they sounded in his room. He does not seem unhappy with the choice. Not sure how that is attacking the speaker. The quote was taken completely out of context with the meaning of his entire post. Are you looking for a reason to be offended? |
Fact is most speakers "internals" cost very, very little that sell for $10,000-$20,000 new. You won't find copper foil caps and top flight resistors from Path Audio or Duelund. You will find sand cast resistors, electrolytic caps, less expensive poly caps and on and on.....The DI speakers may use the same cost parts, but they sell for far less. The design is so good that they also sound great with average parts. |
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"I think the double impacts would sound better with only five tweeters rather then six. In my mind that center tweeter is going to interfere or get interfered with by the other five. Thoughts?" From what I understand only the center one is a tweeter. The six in the ring are coupled and crossover’d to be the midrange. The small/combined drivers can react quickly due to their low mass. The ring around the tweeter gives a point-source co-axial affect. |
" And where did you get that information about a co-axial effect? The Tekton web site?" It seems to be stated in various Tekton threads. Here's an example: https://forum.audiogon.com/discussions/tekton-impact-monitors?sort_order=asc |
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