A follow-up to my earlier recommendation. I own a pair of Wilson Benesch Vertex (from the Geometry series). Extremely satisfied.
Cheers and good luck!
Cheers and good luck!
Davey, I had original Quads and moved to the new series, which give another octave top and bottom, but are no more musical. I modded two pairs of 2905's to improve clarity, and could not be happier. Larger, irregular room. One of my friends has a triple of stacked original Quads, and they sound wonderful in a room of 9x18x29. In fact, the best room I have ever heard. |
One other thought, and that is to acquire a pair of stacked Quads...the original versions. To my ears, these speakers are some of the purest transducers in the critical midrange of anything that I have ever heard...not sure if they would work in a small room...and if I can accept their limitations in the other areas of the frequency spectrum. Anyhow, other thoughts on speakers for this size room is appreciated. |
Do yourself a favor and try to listen to anything by Wilson Benesch in their Geometry Series! http://wilson-benesch.com/geometry-series/ |
KEF LS-50 with a SVS SB-1000 is excellent in a small room @
about $2K. My room is about the same size as what OP proposed. I compared to my Pioneer S2EX ($6K) and the KEF system is much much better at least in my small room. I recently bought Tekton Impact Monitors so I could eliminate the subwoofer but they are not set up yet. I was told by several people that have heard/owned both that the Tektons should be much better than the KEF system in my room. |
I am pretty proud of these and we received spectacular feedback during AXPONA. I am currenty waiting on parts from Europe but will be back in stock in a couple weeks. Great soundstage and true sound reproduction. If you are interested I might be able to express in parts. https://verdantaudio.com/collections/verdant-audio-speakers/products/blackthorn-1-standmount-speaker?variant=26459232567396 |
A lot of recommendations for speakers that are still too large for that size of room IMO. I'd stick with speakers no larger than the size of ATC SCM11s. Their sealed box will make them placement friendly. If an in-home audition is not an option, I'd probably choose those or the new Spendor Classic 3/5s. Augment the low octaves with a DSP-adjustable sub. |
Consider future system changes. If you limit yourself to choices of high sensitivity/efficient speakers, then, now and/or future, you will be able to use lower power amps successfully. Then your amp choices become many, opportunities for a great deal for one increases, saves money, space, .. that opens the options to tube amps. Not only are tube amps lower power, among them, the cost reduces as you reduce your power needs. A system of monitors without too much bass, properly matched to a well controlled self powered sub woofer will make imaging easier, as the monitors will make narrower sound waves, narrower faces, improved imaging, less room interaction. Powered sub-woofer also helps you use a lower power amp, as most power is needed for controlled bass. You can upgrade the monitors and/or subwoofer separately in the future. Take your time, it is work to get a setup with sub-woofer right, but, then you get the advantages I mentioned. |
There is probably no "direct" answer as a soundsystem has to be seen as a whole, including the acoustic characteristics of your room and your personal tastes! I love the Dynaudio Contour 20 on my friend's Krell KSA-100s amp + KRC3 Preamp, Ayre QB9 DAC. Il like my Ryan R610 coupled with my Rega Elex-R amp + Rega DAC-R. |
Lenehan Audio ML1 or ML2 reference. I am currently in an apartment, so I have my ML2's in storage. I have my ML1's on springs for both sound quality and it decouples them from each other and the floor. Helps keep the neighbors happy :-) They sound great with upgraded Prima Luna Dialogue Premium HP, https://www.stereo.net.au/forums/topic/242616-primaluna-premium-hp-integrated-cap-upgrade/ There are many reviews, like: https://forum.audiogon.com/discussions/review-lenehan-ml-1-monitor If you want to know more, or who nearest you may have them? Ask Mike which recording studios use them, and the older ML1 vs Magico Mini's in NYC. I don't know of more recent comparisons, sorry. mike@lenehanaudio.com.au |
I have never heard Marten speakers but they came to my attention recently and I will have a listen to their smaller products soon. https://www.marten.se/products/oscar/oscar-duo/ |
Check out the Aerial Acoustics 5T! https://www.stereophile.com/content/aerial-acoustics-5t-loudspeaker |
@keithr I will put the Stenheim’s onto my audition list. I thought the larger model 3’s were ok at Long Beach, but not in any way ground breaking or “lust worthy”. Nonetheless, their room was a factor ( as was everyone else’s that day) and the speaker was well built. The little stand mount may be a contender. Do post back when you have had a chance to listen to the big brother...model 5? |
I'm in a 12x12 and using Aperion Grand Verus Towers. Man I love'm! Not to big or overpowering but the addition of a DBX Dynamic Range Enhancer allowed me to tweak the sound and match the room size. Starwarrior Thorens TD124 / Ortofon OM40 / Mac MA252 / Brennon B2 / Cambridge DAC Magic / DBX Dynamic Range Enhancer / Audio Control C101 EQ / Aperion Grand Verus Towers / |
Im currently using Harbeth p3esr 40th anniversary with an a/d/s pb1500 sub from the 80's and a Rouge amp and preamp running nos Mullard and rca tubes. Harbeth have a surprisingly good bass on there own for there size but with a good sub the mids which is what these speakers are know for even become more alive and detailed. Theres something magical about Harbeths mid range. |
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Raidho D1.1's. Absolutely amazing and perfect for a smaller room. If you want slam type dynamics, maybe another choice. Maybe the Magico A3's. I would also audition some Harbeth's or DeVores. Depends on the type of music that you like to listen to. I own the Raidho XT-2's, which I love, but with an unlimited budget would go for the D-3.1's, which are considerably more $$$. That is my dream speaker. I listen to all kinds of music, from hard rock to acoustic and even some classical. But on my Raidho XT-2's, on good recordings, there is the "they're in the room with me" type sound. Fantastic. |
When someone mention "at any price" the ears do perk up. Some great thoughts here Davey. I heard the Floorstander Vimburgs at Axpona in a bigger room. I swear I thought I heard the rosin on the bow when the violin was playing. Best sounding cone in a box speaker I have heard. The Borreson I heard was a true bookshelf and it was-as so many people say-Which speaker am I hearing? Two to look at. Now for non cone in a box options. I am sitting in front of a pair of Sanders 10s I picked up this weekend. My room is 14 x 16 x 8 plus open to kitchen on far end so a lot bigger than the 10 x11 you have. I cancelled every appointment I had this week as I am mesmerized by the sound. Sanders has been doing electrostatics for 40+ years. I am not familiar with the Jantzen product but it sounds interesting too. Muraudio was another one I missed that had people talking. Have fun shopping!! Question-If money is no object, why are you in such a tiny room? I have some doubts regarding the veracity of your proposal. |
Well if it is electrostats you want then go with the Sanders Model 10, The panels cross to the transmission line sub at 175 Hz which will allow them to operated 2 feet from the front wall. You will need to put acoustic foam behind them. No big deal. roberjerman I sold Walsh speakers back in the 70's and they were painfully colored back then. Hopefully they have improved them since then but it is a difficult concept. I love the idea of no crossover. Except for subwoofers x-over are nothing but trouble, A necessary evil. |
Other possibilities: Though not at the same sound level as Raidhos and Vivids, the Larson speakers work up against the front wall and work well with room modes. I heard them at a dealer and was impressed. I'd also consider Kii standpoints--their DSP evens out the bass response and goes quite low. Haven't heard them but would like to... |
Agree with the Raidho suggestion (or Borresen if you can swing the funds). Consider the D1 or possible even D2 if it's a dedicated room. Nice thing about Raidhos is they're designed to be placed wide apart and close to side walls (though they need 3+ feet from front wall). They're amazing speakers with a glorious tweeter. Smaller Vivids are also quite nice in a smaller room. I moved from a large room with full range Peak Consults (and subs) to a smaller 13'x16' room. Both my Raidho D2 and Vivid 1.5 sound great in this room. Bass is solid and tight to 40Hz. On some music I miss the extended bass I was used to, but for most music it isn't an issue (either that, or I've adjusted). Room treatments and bass traps can be a great help if it's a dedicated room. |
https://www.lansche-audio.com/products/s-series/no-4-2/ About 12 years ago, I had used Lansche 4.1 (pre model of 4.2) at a room of 12ft wide and 10 ft deep room driven by Silbatone 300B 8W SET amp fitted with Nos WE 300B made in 1940’s. The sound was excellent with pristine treble out of plasma tweeter, deep and tight bass out of active woofer despite the small room. This will be best cost no object option. |
@yyzsantabarbara I am also in S.Calif, so listening to the Vimburg's isn't an option yet either. The TAD's would seem to be an option, but also difficult to source for a listen. Plus, I am not sure i would cotton to the hard beryllium tweeter! This is why I have stayed away from the Magico line and others with 'ringing' dome tweeters. Presumably the Vimburg's wouldn't have this issue, but who knows? |