Upscale Audio and Primaluna


spoke to aggresive salesperson who pushed prima luna integrated amps and other primaluna gear.

this was after i called to buy another component.  Anyone know about primaluna stuff.

all this guy did was tear into my system saying how deficient it is and that i should buy primaluna.


jumia
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Well, a lot of comments. Here are the truths about me and my business. I have never wanted to tell people what tube to buy because it is not possible,and people used to grind on me to say SOMETHING and get pissed if I didn’t. Granted this would be the same customer that would want to return it because "You told me to buy it". You audiophiles are here because you’re not all there (grin). Try spending an hour on a $30 tube sale when you are up to your ass. You think it’s easy? Open a tube business.

If any salesperson working for me talks crap about your system I want to know who it is because I’ll fire them. I never hear that from people, most likely because they are on hourly wage and getting paid the same whether it’s selling $100k speakers or helping some old dude get his streamer working. However today people look to get offended sometimes.

We have technical trainings all the time. My sales staff is comprised of people that have upwards of 35 years of experience, many that worked at high levels for manufacturers, a cartridge designer, a full-on bench tech, tube expert, and tweek doing customers support. I’m gathering the best people and paying them well, but never incentifying bad behavior. I don’t get to help customers but instead, teach and make employees experts.

Yes, the company is on a big trajectory. I was going to retire at 55, and I’m 63 now. I have employees that have been here for close to 25 years, and what am I going to do with them? They gave their lives to me. I owe them. Jared’s parents tell me every Christmas how grateful they are that I employ their son. It’s my privilege. I’ll hopefully create something that is so great, with management much smarter than me, and a company that is well-respected and when I croak it will continue and do good things and the core team will be happy they are here. I have no kids. They are my kids.

Since 2003 PrimaLuna has been on fire, experiencing double-digit growth even during the recession. It has zero to do with any other brand, it is made in the best factory in the world, where there were two Japanese brands being manufactured but labeled "made in Japan". There’s a major US brand that makes nothing,but assembles Chinese pre-made kits, and calls them "Made in USA" And they are a better product because of it, sadly. And a certain Austrian brand is mostly Chinese. PrimaLuna has always been transparent, including the most important part: Telling you what’s in the box.

We would not be growing like this if we weren’t doing the right thing. We have told many people don’t buy a PrimaLuna if it’s not right for them. It’s been said here by another member. I just did that this week with a guy who inherited DQ10’s, plays it loud, and has a huge room. He REALLY wants one because his other friend has one and loves it so much.

All my employees love PL. For a reason. I’ll say this and I am happy to prove it: PrimaLuna IS top-shelf in the tube world, and you are welcome to trot down any amp of similar power and we’ll do a level-matched blind A/B. Name a brand. I think VAC is great stuff. I’ve done it already. All you nervous nellies would be surprised how close any good tube amps sound to each other level-matched.

All PrimaLuna was engineered by the former Chief Engineer at Goldmund.in Switzerland. The team has expanded with new projects. Our new Hybrid had the best guys in Europe working on it, and it’s the shit. Parts you would see in a D’Agostino, but without the meters. And price tag.

Our auto-bias design is state of the art. Period. Ayon should show a picture of their auto-bias board. I’ll bet it’s great, but show it. We do. Don’t take anyone’s word for anything. Not even me. I have a video coming showing the Raven Audio "fully auto bias" design. You won’t believe this one.

Anyway, I’ll probably regret crawling out of my hole to post this. I’ll crawl back in now. Whatever you folks get I hope you love it. Hope you are having fun.

 

 

I’ve purchased several components and tubes from Upscale Audio. It’s been a great experience every single time. Great people working there. Thanks!

I forgot to say Thank You to our customers who chimed in here and to give thanks for allowing me to work in an industry I've loved since I was 10 years old when I hacked my mom's console stereo with box speakers.

Some people that are hobbyists that open stores ruin the hobby because retail is difficult, but that never happened to me. 

I saw Kevin compare PL and Audio research amp on youtube and as a audio research user I am impressive about it.

 

Kevin and Upscale has always treated me well.  I've purchased a Primaluna Dialogue integrated, various tubes over years,  Manley Chinook SE MK2 phono preamp and Dynavector 20x2L cartridge.  Have had several conversations with Kevin and you can feel his passion. I've never thought he pushed anything on me without backing it up with facts and expert knowledge.  Kat was great also and followed up my Manley purchase to make sure I was satisfied.  I'm sure Kevin has been an arse to some customers and I'm sure I would be also putting up with the public for as long as he has. I think we all know it can be challenging, we are human and make mistakes.  Going forward I wouldn't hesitate to do business with Upscale again.  Kevin deserves to be successful.  He's paid his dues and cares about his staff and making customers happy.  

I auditioned my last two pair of speakers on Prima Luna integrated amps and they sounded really good.  I think Upscale’s intentions are good, bringing good sound at prices most people can afford.   

Kevin and the folks at Upscale are awesome.

Why is a 6 month old post relevant?

Right on Andysf. If a Chinese company is not run by the government, they and all the workers pay taxes that go to oppression of dissent, hypersonic missiles. Covid labs that are weaponizing disease. Your choice. But I think things have gone too far. Just a matter of time. 

 

@emergingsoul Primaluna doesn’t make speakers.

 

@fredcdobbs Maybe all audiophiles should band together and cease support for any country which oppresses dissent, makes missiles, builds bio weapons or forces workers to pay taxes. I think the Ivory Coast and New Zealand are safe.

Sounds like OP was doing the same thing that he accused Kevin of.  I've been told the most outrageous things over the years, and it doesn't have to be audio.  Sure, you can tell me why I should buy your stuff and compare my equipment to yours but I don't like badmouthing.

Who did you talk to? I buy a lot of stuff from them if you were calling about amps or speakers  you need to talk with Joel. He is a very knowledgeable salesman. Don’t waste your time with the guy answering the phone. BTW PL is a good brand.

The fact is that professional salesmen posing as audiophiles make orders of magnitude more money than experienced audiophiles posing as salesmen.