Speakers or Turntable upgrade


I've been bitten by the upgrade bug.  It's amazing how a small initial thought can snowball.  I found a Clearaudio MM cartridge I forgot I had.  It's been sitting in a drawer for 10 years due to upgrading the cartridge out of the box on my Clearaudio Concept TT.  My thought was to get a cheap TT to mount the cartridge for my office system.

That turned into finding a good deal on a Rega Planar 2 with an ND cartridge.  My other Turntable is a Rega Planar 3 with 2M Bronze.  The Planar 2 got sold which led me to a Planar 3 with an Exact 2, but I didn't want the same TT.  That led to looking at the Planar 6 and 8.  I came to the conclusion that the 6 wouldn't be a big enough jump so I'm looking at a Planar 8 with ND7.  Planar 8 would be my main rig and the Planar 3 would go to the office system.

I'm now looking at $3500 and started thinking if my money would be served better by upgrading my speakers instead.  Sorry for the meandering post.

My system:

Rega Planar 3, Rotel RC 150, Rotel RB-1080, HTPC with DAC.

Speakers: Paradigm Studio 100 v2.  and SVS SB3000 subwoofer

I listen to classic rock, new rock, 80's rock, and metal.  I listen at fairly robust volumes.

Am I better off sticking that money into speakers than upgrading my TT? 

 

 

mustangjeff

That's really difficult to say, for me, anyway. Are there any particular speakers you have in mind to audition?

Just wanted to say that I've got a Clearaudio Charisma II MM cartridge in my Technics 1200G TT and it is superb.... 

I would look at speakers. First, of course, these will affect all output. Particularly if you go used you can be in the $5K new range… likely to be a very substantial upgrade. And finally, since digital can sound as good as analog in roughly the same price range these days, while giving access to nearly infinite music… this gives you more time to ponder this before the next time the bug bites.

@mustangjeff  if you really want to blow yourself away, you get a second matching subwoofer and a MiniDSP SHD to replace your preamp. It will provide first class bass management for your subwoofers and will raise your entire system to a whole new level. Your current table will do for the time being, but you will need to upgrade it in the future or you won't use it. The SHD has a Volumio chip in it and will stream Qobuz in high resolution. That and your current digital sources will seriously outperform your current table. You will have to get a P10 and a Lyra Delos to keep up. 

what happened to the Clearaudio Concept TT? i'd keep that for now if its still in the house. 

IMO  your speakers are the week piont in your system. So before you spend thousands on a new table i'd look closely at the speakers.  Maybe take a trip to a local dealer to have a listen to some newer models to see if they are giving more then the 100's are currently.  

What kind of improvements are you looking for, and are you looking for new or used?

The Concept is on my basement setup.  I have a Dynavector 10x5 on it.  I was looking for a third table for my office setup

I'm not sure what I would get to replace the Paradigms.  Maybe a pair of Klipsch Forte IIIs?  I think a semi local deals has them for $3600 a pair.

for the type of music you listen to, and your budget, I would go with Mission, KLH , PSB, GoldenEar or Aperionaudio

You would get the best upgrade with the speaker upgrade studio 100 are very old design at this time and newer speakers will outperform them

 

Rega P3? I just sold one that I upgraded with power supply, sub platter and platter upgrades. I replaced it with a vintage Dual 1219 from fixmydual.com. My taste in music is similar to yours, and I liked the Dual way better than the Rega even with all of the upgrades and the dual costs less than even a stock Rega. 

There is a pair of Triton Reference speakers for less than $4800 for sale here, was listed today.  I own a pair and all I play is Rock.  They are full sounding and amazing sounding.  I have had my pair for over 7 years and they are my endgame speakers.   They go for $12000.00 new

IMHO, Rega is good for someone who prefers a plug and okay approach but like mediium _grade mentionned. You can get a better sounding TT in that price point. I owned a P10 myself and while it is a very fine engineered pice of equipment it was disappointing sound wise. Agree that you should start with speakers and then you’ll be in a better position to evaluate TT options. Good luck!

@mustangjeff  All of the above suggestions pale in comparison. I have modified systems like yours and taken them to a whole new plateau with the Dirac Live room control in the MiniDSP and subwoofers. Taking the low bass out of you main speakers lowers distortion and increases headroom. Your system will go much louder, cleaner than it is now. Dirac will flatten the response of your system and room and give you total control over the sound with a very flexible digital equalizer.

I have no financial connection to any brands or stores. I have used the MiniDSP SHD is three systems including my own. There are two versions the SHD (Streaming, High Definition) and the SHD Studio. The Studio version does not have its own DACs for people who prefer to use higher quality DACs than are in the plain Studio. Because you need to buy two DACs with it, it is the more expensive option. Benchmark Media Systems uses a MiniDSP Studio and two of their own DACs in their show system. Dirac Live is a cloud based system. You measure your system with the microphone supplied with the unit and the measurements are sent over the net to Dirac Live's server that runs the calculations, generates the filters and sends them back to your MiniDSP. This is a great way to provide room control as you do not have to purchase the computer to do the math. The MiniDSP has a programmable subwoofer crossover in it. You turn the filter in your subwoofers off and in your case I would set the crossover at 80 Hz 48 dB.oct. In the equalizer section I would boost 20 up to 50 Hz 10 dB and taper down to 0 dB at 110 Hz. Then drop 20 kHz 6 dB with a very low Q so the the attenuation starts at about 1 kHz. 

If your room is the right size, consider either the Ohm Walsh 1000s or 2000s.  They are a fantastic rock speaker (they do every genre well).  Plus, they don't get that congested sound many speakers suffer from at higher volume.  Ohm offers a 120 day in home audition.

Speakers will almost always make a more noticable difference than anything else in a system. With your budget, there are many options especially if you buy used . Happy hunting.

I have the goldenear tritan 1 r in my home theater they sold Def tec and started goldenear.my Def tec are 7000sc great like the 1 r .the music  room has a used pair now. Good set of used speakers leave you cash for other upgrades latter. Enjoy the music. Tekton makes a good rock and roll speaker.stay healthy.