The Clarisys Audio Minuets and the other models already have some upgrades done to them for this Axpona Show ! They will sound much better now with these upgrades done to them !
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQrqmgrHfUM
2023 AXPONA Show Report
Here's all the Exhibitors at this year's show
You all got to hear the all new Mon Acoustic Supermon Isobaric Speakers and Sanctus Cables, they must be heard to be believed ! They will at Booth 646 at this Show !
Who's going to this Show ?
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@blisshifi I will look for you. You are a great guy and positive poster on Audiogon. |
It’s the semi-active A50-II, so the 30w Luxman is only amplifying the upper 3 Ellipticors.
The suite of REW measurements have given me an idea of what my room is doing and helped me figure out room treatments and their positioning but, mostly, been tweaking by ear.
I don’t have the skills to leverage everything the Hypex software can do, but am happy with one of the two presets Troels offers for the 15” woofers. |
I notice you have a Luxman amp. Are you using the A50's as fully powered speakers, or just the bass section? Have you seen the AM Acoustics room mode simulator? It helps place speakers outside of the worst room modes, and your listening room too. Have you measured your room? I'm curious how great you can make it sound if you took full advantage of the DSP capabilities of those amps. |
@erik_squires It’s a disaster on a desktop browser but workable through the Reddit mobile app. Sorry, it’s just the place I’ve spoken the most about it, thus far. Initially, I didn’t place them on the bases/feet that were made for them because my listening position is a bit low, but I’ve since put them under the speakers with a slight tilt down. That helped focus everything and increase low end reach. I used to use a subwoofer with my 3WC-15 build but don’t need it at all, anymore, with the A50-II. I’ve measured bass rolloff beginning at about 25hz in my room with one of Troels’ Hypex presets. |
Thanks @advantech - I can't believe anyone uses Reddit since I find it so hard to read/navigate a thread. I notice you place them with no tilt-back. Have you listened while sitting on the floor? |
@erik_squires I talk a bit about it, here https://www.reddit.com/r/audiophile/comments/12c46by/35way_ellipticor_build/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1
But my room is about 17’x21’ |
That's interesting!! I wonder how much the wide baffle helps. I have always felt that a wide baffle "pushes" the sound in a direction, so having the drivers on the inside could keep the dispersion inwards. I don't have a lot of measurements to back this up. How wide is your listening room, and where do you have them set up? |
@erik_squires I have had A50-IIs in my living room for almost two weeks, and I have to say the mid domes are something else. I hope Scan-Speak is able to control first reflections in their room because they disperse quite wide. |
I'll be bringing ATC Entry Series to the show. We do it every year as this has been the best run consumer audio show in the US. I am expecting good attendance this year. Visitors should use it as an opportunity to learn about the companies they are drawn to, learn about the offerings of companies you don't know and their history and focus. No one knows their gear better than the people that work building it. Discovering from a chat with factory staff what they do differently from others is the gold you can't get anywhere else.
Brad Lone Mountain Audio |
I’ll be attending the show as both a dealer/exhibitor and as a consumer. It’ll be my third time going, so here are some tips to make the most of it. 1. Friday morning, and late afternoons on Saturday and Sunday tend to be the quietest. Saturday morning is the most packed. 2. Don’t try to accomplish everything in one day, if possible. Allow yourself time settle into the rooms you visit. By that, it means that crowds come and go. If you stay in a room long enough, you WILL be able to sit in the prime spot AND not have a ton of people in the room making noise. 3. I tend to study the exhibitor list in advance and make two lists - must hear and nice to hear. With this I prioritize in this way and tend to hit all floors twice. If I don’t get through the full second round, at least I don’t miss anything that was in my priority list. It’s also common to find yourself returning to the rooms you like the best more than once. 4. If you disagree with how something is set up in a room, once it’s quiet, you can ask the host to try to reposition or change the configuration. They will likely be amenable. 5. Whether you start or end with the big rooms on the first two floors, when you decide to explore the upper floors, take the elevator to the top and walk your way down the steps. 6. It’s been my observation that this is not a show purely designed for consumers. Many of the rooms are hosted by manufacturers or distributors, and their primary clientele are dealers. Of course, then there are rooms run by dealers whose primary clientele are customers, or other distributors they may want to carry lines for. As such, these reasons get in the way of how some consumers feel the show is less than approachable. 7. The experience is meant for people to experience the gear they typically cannot on most days. As some mentioned, similar to a car show. It should be aspirational, and oftentimes even if one cannot afford much or any of the equipment, it still serves as a good baseline for comparison. If you approach it this way, you will have a more fruitful time. 8. The food prices in the hotel are somewhat ridiculous and the quality is questionable. Plan to pick up a portable lunch if you want to eat onsite. It’s also not difficult to get away from the venue, and Schaumburg has a lot of great restaurant options. 9. Remember, audiophiles are few and far between across the country. While I know a number, most people are coming alone and don’t know others. This is a great place to get to know one another in a past time we all love. Don’t be afraid to show courtesy to each other and introduce yourself, express yourself. or share your opinion. I’ve found by doing this, most people easily open up and your total experience can be much more memorable. I’ll be happy to chat with anyone in attendance if you bump into me and decide to say hello. Enjoy the show! Juan blisshifi.com |
I've been to MANY of these shows over the years including Axpona, Rocky Mountain and numerous shows in Southern California. I'm grateful they put on these shows! Not only does it give me an opportunity to see and hear the equipment, I can also make comparisons and talk to equipment reps and other experts in the audio field including other show attendees. I usually don't make any new purchases until after I attend the show to check things out. I'm not put off by some rooms sounding bad. It's a difficult audio environment in some of these rooms and I always take that in consideration! Also, I take advantage of show specials when possible and some vendors sell their demo units at these shows. |
I live in Chicago and will be going to Axpona, as I did last year. My first time I was disappointed by the horrible SQ in the little hotel rooms used by most vendors. The big rooms on the main floor are a different matter. Nonetheless it is worth it to see in person such a huge variety of high-end equipment, and to speak to the many company professionals (in addition to the marketing folks) who find it worthwhile to come to such a show. A word to out-of-town visitors, though. Many people in for a convention come downtown or to the Near North (Rush Street area). Aside from the traffic (which can get really bad on a Friday or Saturday night - there are lane closures on the inbound Kennedy), things have gotten dangerous. Carjacking and armed robberies are way up, especially in the areas you might likely come to. Flash mobs show up in warmer weather and the new mayor is a police defunder. Just saying. |
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I love and appreciate all high end audio shows!!! The primary objective of the shows is for the manufacturers to show off their wares, display their audio gear, play their audio equipment so that we can have the opportunity to hear them in person, and to support the audio industry in general. Your local audio shop can’t carry everything, and it’s impossible to bring everything into your home for auditioning. The shows are there for our entertainment and amusement. All serious and casual audiophiles should attend as many high end audio shows as possible to show support of their beloved hobby and to support the industry. High end audio shows are meant to be a fun, enjoyble, highly interesting and entertaining activity. That’s all. |
Im in the area too and recommend it. Its true that many of the rooms' collective gear pricetag is as much as a typical single family home. Though I wish the exhibitors would bring more real-world gear (seems like they would be able to encourage more sales this way, but what do I know?), it is also kind of the point to display the greatest and shiniest they have. Who would go to a car show to see a toyota corolla? I want the Ferraris and mclarens. It is aspirational. Its also the only place where you can go (to my knowledge) and have a huge offering of manufacturers and products across the industry in one location. Yes, the sound is rarely as good as it could be, but you can be immersed in the hobby for days on end and as far as I know, there is no other way to get that experience. |
These shows are great )for me at least), I never go expecting to be able to sit quietly and evaluate gear- its not designed for that and far too crowded and noisy. It's an oppty to see, touch, talk, listen (non critically) and learn about new product etc. People who go expecting to have a quiet, thoughtful listening experience are ill informed. Its not that at all. And I'm ok with that- for me the ability to spend a couple days with thousands of fellow music and gear lovers - both attendees and folks on the OEM side is what its all about ! |
Mho....ear plugs Are a good idea, save your sanity and hearing for that which you Want to listen to, rather than the general hubbub, bud.... ;) Since I wear aids, it’s become SOP. And the headphone version...not trying to be rude, just simple survival of the system...Mine. "...a soap bubble amidst the sonics..." *G* Audio Zen.... ....that, and the gull on a shirt.... ;) ...and comfy shoes a Must... |
One of the nice side benefits of going to shows is that you can come away with a lot of good new reference/demo recordings. I went to the NYC show a few months ago, and despite the relatively few (but many good) presenters I came away with at least 10 new recordings I now have in my reference library. Some of them you can pick off using Shazam, but it was well worth the effort to write down those that couldn’t be identified otherwise. Just something to keep in mind if you’re on the fence or end up going. |
@bubba12 The earplugs comments are a headscratcher. I would think you would want to hear everything since you are going to a stereo show. I know there were some comments about the rooms playing the music too loud last year. People always complain about other people talking in the rooms when they are playing music. What are you going to do? Thousands of attendees who have a right to be there just like you. This isn't your private listening room. |
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bubba12, I agree totally. I've been twice now and really looking forward to this year. Trying to make it 2 days but we'll see about that. You have to realize you are not going for critical listening. Just go and have a good time and marvel at the sheer amount of gear on display. Yes, alot of it is ridiculously expensive. But, a man can dream right? I've never needed earplugs except the one time in a Martin Logan room where the guy turned DSoTM up so loud the amps were clipping. I think they were Parasound. Not sure what he was thinking! I was out of there in a heartbeat. I live close so this is a no-brainer for me. I've thought that maybe Chicagoans should wear some type of sign so we can find/meet each other. It would be cool to meet a few fellow 'philes. Leave your attitude at the door. |
Never having been before so not sure what to expect, but I don’t think critical listening will be part of it…..maybe I’m wrong. I will be visiting 432 Evo, Auralic, Aurender, Lumin, and Innuous to learn more about the tech in their streamers. Also a few speakers I want to begin looking into (Fritz, Joseph Audio, and Tannoy, ??) |
I've been to a couple of audio shows... one was great but the second was a disappointment. and 500 miles away... flew down and paid for room to get bummed out. Would love to go to Axpona but I haven't lost anything in Chicago so that is a major hurdle that I just can't get over. They have a large one in Germany that I've been thinking about and may end up their sooner or later. Interesting about the venders not allowing you to play your music on their equipment.... I've noticed from watching demos on youtube that the songs appear to be manipulated to sound better than the original. I have really good equipment so it isn't that theirs are just better sounding equipment. I can understand that they want their equipment to shine and might be reluctant to have a nobody (buyer) put on something that they may feel degrades their sound. |
I will be going. Where can you go and have a chat with Vinny Rossi, Dan Wright, Jim Salk, Klaus from Odyssey, Jeff Rowland. The Lampizator gang are always fun. |
@decooney I am a Scanspeak fan, yet I remain skeptical the new Ellipticor mids are a significant step above the Illuminator mids they have already. They are about 8x more expensive than the already pricey Illuminators and commercially will probably not appear in any speaker less than $50k. The delta in performance between the two really needs to be extraordinary. |
Yep. The entire Ellipticor family of drivers are nice. There is nothing to wonder about. Just buy them, hahah. I use several different ScanSpeak drivers in my past few sets of custom speakers, subs. Those mids are pretty cool. Would like to see the whole setup, components used, and what other drivers they use with those mids. The new mid woofers with the SD AirCirc magnet system are interesting. Would like to see which midwoofers they pair up with the mids. ---- Yes, please, take photos, whoever goes in the ScanSpeak room at ’23 Axpona! |
I went to Axpona last year. I won't go this year. From my perspective, it was an exercise in excess. Most vendors were displaying gear that was way past my budget. Plenty of vendors had setups that cost as much as an automobile and fill an entire room. All power to the people that can afford systems like that, but I don't feel the need to listen to the monster systems. A big issue at Axpona for me was the noise. The noise from people and from demo systems made it tough to have conversations, much less listening to a stereo systems at the volume levels that I listen to music. I am careful not to expose my ears to excessive noise levels and if I were to go to Axpona again, I would bring ear plugs to protect my hearing. I live in the Chicago area around 20 minutes away from where Axpona is held. Within the Chicago area we are lucky to have a decent number of audio/stereo stores where it is possible to listen to gear carefully. If I am interested in buying new (or used gear), I prefer to go to one of the the local stores. |
First off - most rooms do not know how to set-up speakers. That is the main reason they sound OK. So how did I determine this? Easy, we know dealers who have manufacturers come in to try to get them to purchase their speaker line. None of them know how to set their speakers up in the showroom to sound good. Second, they partner with other manufacturers to help with the cost of the room so they are not the best match for equipment. When we won best of should at CAF back in the day, not one reviewer noted the equipment used or the cables but they all review them. We won best of show with an old Adcom copper interconnect used as our digital cable. So go figure that one. Happy Listening. |
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That has to be the most ham-handed and outrageous attempt to hawk one's own product by smack-talking a well-regarded brand I have seen in these forum. The MBL room will be on the short list for best sound at the show. It always is. |
^ I see where the new Ellipticor series drivers have an elliptical voice coil and magnet gap! Along with their proprietary magnet structure, these should be outstanding. However, it's going to take a bit to get used to the elliptical dust cover.
As for the shows, if you're on the fence, I recommend giving it a try. Do your homework, have a plan. Also, there is definitely plenty to do in Chicago when you need to step away from the audio show. Grab an Uber... |
My Bad, they are not particle board or composite, but they are stil rectangular and that creates reflections, cancelations and inefficiency. Also I have a problem with the moniker. What makes them Isobaric? and then there is the 2.5 way drivers. I see a picture of a two way unless they have half of a drive rear firing, up firing, or down firing. But they list a totally different 3rd driver so how do you make 1/2 of a driver. I think that their advertising dept doesn't know much about speakers or engineering. That would be their best defense. |
