Let me get this straight... You were a member of the Dave Clark Five? In any case, I loved 'em. My Dave Clark Five LP seems to have gone MIA at the moment but me and my sister played the record all the time. I remember seeing them on several pop music/dance shows of the day. I loved Del Shannon and most all of the bands that played driving rock-and-roll and were fronted by a rangy, folkie tenor. Roy Orbison makes regular appearances on my stereo. It's actually that style of rock/pop music that induced me to put something other than classical on the radio/hi-fi.
The "British Invasion". A question for you old farts out there.
In school as a young teen ager, we has two groups....the Beatles fans and the Dave Clark Five fans, which I was one of. In your youth did you have different cliques (I am thinking high school) based on what bands/singers they liked? I was also in the minority by being a Del Shannon fan. (yes, I am a dinosaur! ). Thankfully I aged into Jazz and Classical for the most part, but did enjoy some popular music in the 80s. And you?
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I liked most of what I heard on our local AM radio station and wasn't really in with any cliques, except most of what I liked was British and/or psychedelic. Then went on to prog rock, metal, punk, post-punk, indie, reggae, and Grateful Dead, and at age 70, all those genres are still what I listen to. Never enjoyed jazz, country, blues, Elvis, etc ... I can listen to some classical on Qobuz or something, but very seldom and I don't own any. I'd say probably 70% of my music collection is UK artists. |
I look at the post WWII generation with much admiration particularly those who were teens during the time R&R was brewing. At least the stories I’ve heard, it was a magical time to be a music freak in SoCal, where I live. Being at the tail end of the BB generation, I missed just about everything that essentially changed the face of music. The late 70’s-80’s and present have moments, but they are tiny blips compared to the earlier times. I am grateful to have at least experienced a taste of why radio was such a big deal. Now that’s just reduced to PBS. Depending where you’re located, maybe you have a dying station hanging on. The upside- I have an ENDLESS source of music discovery going backwards. My record stores have plenty of cheap LP’s of fantastic music. |
It was a War, Santana, Grand Funk Railroad, The Temptations, The Supremes, James Brown, Jimmy Hendrix, Janis Joplin, and Tiny Tim? Roy Rogers, Dale Evans, and a little Jene Autry. Hi-yo silver, and Mister Green Jeans was cool.. SO??? Dave Clark 5? I don’t think so.. BB King, Little Richard maybe the Everly Brothers.. Regards |
grew up from an early age listening to much of these records from my parents collection. the who, stones, zeppelin, thin lizzy, yardbirds, still love Jeff Beck solo stuff, as mentioned a lot of blues as well, bb king, clarence brown, buddy guy, junior wells, kook taylor, muddy waters, etc, we lived in the chicago burbs for a while, and parents had a lot of records. a nice big collection of rock/blues/psychedelic/ folk, etc etc/............ don't think i qualify, as i was just a wee mite listening to my parents records, which my Dad would put a couple quarters or a half dollar on the head shell for better sound :) im glad i always loved music, it has helped me through tough times!! |
I played DC5 in the hotel room before the R & R Hall. Not much mention there or the Nashville Hall either of the two Jerry's - Reed and Lee Lewis. We had some of the best local bands here: The Shadows, Maids, Saturday's Children, H.P. Lovecraft and Nugent's Amboy Dukes. In between traveling acts like The Who, Cream, The Byrd's, and Buffalo Springfield. |
The Mommas and the Pappas, CREAM, Erick Burden, Twiggy :-) Rod the Mod, Justen Wilson, ALL of the outlaws, The 4 Tops, The Miracles, The Monkeys, Deno, Blue Eyes, Cool and the Gang, Dick VanDike in chitty chitty bang bang.. Franky Avalon, Phillis Diller, Zero Mostel, and Jack Bennie. I forgot my cousin Lula, she's pretty good, too. I remember "Beatniks". Dobie Gillis BUT the Dave Clark 5, what am I missin' here? I'm 67. I was gone for 5 or 6 years as a kid in Europe.. No TV.. Maybe that's what I missed.. LOL Regards :-) |
No Dave Clark Five or Beatles cliques I can recall. Dave Clark Five were pretty much flash in the pan with a few hits, Beatles much more. I do recall Beatles first appearance on the Ed Sullivan show, watching with my grandparents, thought their long hair appalling, hilarious! While I did like the Beatles from the beginning, it was 'Rubber Soul' and 'Revolver' that made me respect them. The Brits certainly were ahead of us at that time in bringing new form of rock to USA. Soul was newer form of pop here, what passed for rock was stuff like Frankie Avalon, Brian Hyland etc. Also served to spur American artists to offer more mature offerings over the long term. |
I'm in pieces, bits and pieces at the very thought the DC5 were once held as equal to the Fab Four. We were too young at the time to understand it was all about the enduring ability to write songs. That has always been the secret to longevity in the Rock & Roll game. A very few exceptions come to mind. Joe Cocker would be one. |
Dave Clark Five chart history, U.S. and U.K. Just some useless links: https://tsort.info/music/6rk46n.htm DAVE CLARK FIVE | full Official Chart History | Official Charts Company https://www.officialcharts.com/artist/10856/dave-clark-five/ https://www.google.com/search?q=dave+clark+U.S.+chart+history&sxsrf=AOaemvKa63V1aoX1WbmcyZ2sfHw9... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dave_Clark_Five |
The lead singer for the Dave Clark Five was Mike Smith. Mike died a few years back because of complications from an earlier accident. Actually I looked it up and Mr. Smith died longer ago than I thought. Time does pass quickly. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Smith_(Dave_Clark_Five) |
Interesting contrast Beatles and Dave Clark 5. The contrast is usually Beatles vs Stones of which I was more into the Stones. Yes, Paul Revere & raiders were a top shelf band and had a lot of good music, but the Beatles overshadowed them. One group they did NOT overshadow was Grand Funk Railroad. They sold out Shay Stadium quicker than the Beatles. And at another venue they opened for Zeppelin who then refused to go on afterward. GFR is not in the R&R hall of shame, which is a very big injustice to them, R&R community & R&R history |
Give me a break. BLUES is an American thing, Everyone else just learned how to play the blues. As a kid in the south in the 50-60s. Blues were a real heart felt "THING" from across the tracks. Just so you know most of the counties in that area were DRY. The Juke Joints in the sticks were visited by ALL. Liquor and music flowed like water. Muddy Water at that. :-) I worked on a 55 acre wood farm as a kid in Alabama. Music use to fill the areas from Wednesday - Sunday. Rag time, gospel, Bayou Blues, some Rock a Billy, like Buddy Holly, Elvis, Jerry Lee, Mavis, Willie Thornton, Chuck Berry, Carl Perkins. Soul was being formed at the time. You could hear it... James Brown.. Mercy he WAS the hardest working CAT in the business.. Still listen to JB. Sex machine, I feel good. Smookin' good.. BUT the Dave Clark 5.. :-) Just kiddin' OP.. I like shuffle dancin' too. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGSKfCF44W8 Regards |
flatblackround I agree with your post as I am always Hungry for those good things Paul Revere and the Raiders' Pop Legacy in 5 Songs
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Yes, early garage rock was an American thing, and my preferred music at that time. Bands like Beau Brummels, The Seeds, Count Five, Music Machine, Syndicate of Sound, Unrelated Segments, Zakary Thaks, Electric Prunes, Blues Magoos, Question Mark & Mysterians and The Litter. This was the music I related to with all my adolescent angst, which then led into the psychedelic era, . Brits evolved in a different direction, all is good in my book, still listen to all these genres occasionally. |
You've got to remember that The Beatles hadn't matured yet in 64 and 65. They were still a teen pop band not that different from the DC 5. Looking back on their entire careers, there's no comparison, but in the early days the DC 5 were competition for the Fab Four. From Wikipedia: The Dave Clark Five, often called The DC5, were an English rock and roll band formed in Tottenham in 1958. In January 1964 they had their first UK top ten single, "Glad All Over", which knocked the Beatles' "I Want to Hold Your Hand" off the top of the UK Singles Chart. It peaked at No. 6 in the United States in April 1964.[1] Although this was their only UK No. 1, they topped the US chart in December 1965, with their cover of Bobby Day's "Over and Over". Their version of Chet Powers' "Get Together" reached No. 8 on the UK Singles Chart retitled as "Everybody Get Together".[2] They were the second group of the British Invasion to appear on The Ed Sullivan Show in the United States (for two weeks in March 1964 following the Beatles' three weeks] the previous month). They would ultimately have 18 appearances on the show. The DC5 were one of the most commercially successful acts of the British Invasion, releasing seventeen top 40 hits in the US between 1964 and 1967, and were briefly considered serious rivals to the Beatles. The group disbanded in early 1970. On 10 March 2008, the band was inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.[3] |
The Monkees were a manufactured band cast for a TV show, and the music was written mostly by Boyce and Hart and others and performed by serious studio musicians. Some nice stuff, but although very popular it was barely them although they could play and sing somewhat...Mike Nesmith is a relatively well regarded musician and songwriter and I think was the most substantial talent among those guys. |
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Was in high school in the mid 60's. Cliques...sure, but don't recall any of them being aligned with bands/singers. Never jumped on the Beatles' bandwagon, nor the Stones' for that matter. Never got jazzed over DC 5 either. Only recording of theirs I ever liked was Catch Us If You Can. The Who? Nah. As with some other contributors here, my British Invasion tastes ran more toward Manfred Mann (My Little Red Book), Kinks (Sunny Afternoon), Animals (I'm Crying), Yardbirds (Heart Full Of Soul), Troggs (With A Girl Like You), Hollies (Look Through Any Window) and yes...unapologetically...Herman's Hermits (No Milk Today). Anybody want to watch "Pirate Radio" again? |
Not in the Bay area. It was War, Santana, James Brown, The Temptations, The 4 Tops, Sly Stone, Janis Joplin, Elvis, The Doors even Bob Dylan, but The Beatles, The Rolling Stones and even the Beach Boys took a back seat to the one's I just mentioned.. You were a little funky if you listened to The Who, to tell the truth.. Weird one Elton John came on like gang busters the late 60s in my little town.. (I think it was still the 60s).. I always thought it strange he was so popular in a Cool and the Gang, & Sly and the family Stones town.. Regard |
Well, there is a difference between early/mid 60's, say '63 vs. '67. Brit invasion era really at it's end around 67. This is the beginning of the flower power/psychedelic era. Brit invasion music is a Top 40 convention, the two or three minute song thing. Many Brit invasion bands morphed into more complex/mature forms of rock, the ones who didn't mostly died by end of '67. FM free form stations took over the air waves around this time as well, AM Top 40 in beginning of death throes. |
As sns says... Anyway, before the Beatles went on Ed Sullivan, I was strictly a classical guy, with occasional forays into show tunes thanks to the fact my mother and aunt danced and did bit parts in several 1940’s movie musicals. I hated rock-and-roll. Then the Beatles showed up and turned my taste upside down. As for the Dave Clark Five, they had their share of hype during the first moments of the British Invasion but in hindsight they come off as little more than a Swinging Sixties footnote. |
You might have been ostracized from the Beatles crowd when you were in school, but that’s entirely justifiable in anyone’s estimation. Be that as it may, picture this British Invasion tragedy, When I was twelve years old in 1964 my 45rpm of Manfred Mann’s " Do Wah Diddy Diddy" disappeared. Definitely not one to let matters of such import rest, I revisited this sore subject at a family reunion, aboard a cruise ship no less, some forty or so years later. At this late date my sister Marion laughingly confessed to having traded this prize possession to Theresa McNally for a turtle. She was only four years old at the time, but I threatened to throw her overboard anyway, Actually doing so might have been too harsh. The moral of the story, yes the British Invasion was supremely important, but don’t go overboard with it at this late date. |