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Iron Maiden - Remember Tomorrow
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMkQYt3u2ac
(RIP Paul Di'Anno, 17 May 1958 – 21 October 2024)
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I listen to more Heavy Metal music these days than when I was younger, when the music was newly released. For example, Black Sabbath's Heaven and Hell is in heavy rotation, especially with my RAAL CA-1a phone and the VM-1a tube headphone amp. My uber rock and roll setup. I never paid too much attention to it back in the day though it got a lot of radio play. I remember playing some Ramstein when I lived in a rental apartment in Virgina 20 years ago. My upstairs neighbor got so scared, not so much by the volume, but by the vocalist.
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Wow, where to start! I could make this a very long post based on my love of heavy rock and metal, but here are a few that are nostalgic to my adolescence. Black Sabbath - Symptom of the universe, Into the void, Supernaut Judas Priest - Beyond the realms of death, Desert Plains Thin Lizzy - Miss Misery Corrosion of Conformity - Albatross, Clean my wounds Honestly , I could go on forever. I grew up in the 70’s and my uncles were all rock and heavy metal fans so I experienced a lot of early rock. While I enjoy all genres of music, my soul always goes to hard rock. 🤘 |
@yyzsantabarbara I remember driving around in a 86 Pontiac Sunbird (barely legal to drive once upon a time) with "Die Young" from that album turned all the way up as much as the crappy stereo in that car would let me. Imo, Dio's vocals just gelled better with Iommi and Ozzy was better off with his solo works. I listen to many genres, but, my playtime with this genre has gotten more as the rigs/rooms got better. |
So many tracks from the 1st 5 Black Sabbath albums. I’ll pick a few. War Pigs - from their 2nd album Paranoid. Fairies Wear Boots - from their 1st album Black Sabbath. Children of the Grave - from Master of Reality. Snowblind - from Volume 4. Sabbath Bloody Sabbath - from their 5th album with the same name. |
@kingbr - I've always loved the wordless singalong part of that song; they used to get the roadies up there to sing on that part, too.... |
@baconboy I would classify deep purple as mostly hard rock... I think it is a combination of 70's Sabbath/Iommi style of riffs and Ian Gillan's vocal style (Example Track: Child In time) that paved the way for a lot of modern metal. I wouldn't classify Ozzy Osbourne as too much of a metal vocalist. In fact, here's an example of a track from Sabbath's 'Born Again" album, where Gillan was the vocalist....call it Purple Sabbath maybe....
Black Sabbath - Disturbing The Priest (Don't be the soundguy that played this on the church PA and disturbed the congregation https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OXLRuu8YQY
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Knebworth, in England, in 1985 included UFO, Meatloaf, Scorpions with headliner, Deep Purple. All hard rock bands, with exception of Meatloaf. Deep Purple had 2 sets of tower speakers (array) off stage - in the crowd- and during certain songs moved the music to and fro in a quadrophonic type of setup. Never heard or saw such an arrangement before or since. Perfect Strangers. |
I grew up playing drums to heavy metal/acid rock or whatever you wanted to call it. We played deep purple, Black Sabbath, Jimi Hendrix and others hard rock material. Today, I mostly listen to jazz/blues/hard rock and progressive rock. The group I listen to 99% of the time if I’m paying heavier stuff, is Dream Theater. If you want to listen to them, look at their Images and Words album from the 80’s and then listen to their latest song Night Terror. Awesome! Lots of YouTube videos on them too. The best songs from them are when Mike Portnoy was the drummer(voted best drummer many times) 80’s thru 2011 and he just came back this year and they released Night Terror |
https://open.qobuz.com/track/99717259 |
I am a pretty big fan of certain subgenres of metal. But I don't like them specifically because they are metal bands, but because they appeal to the attributes that I love in the music I listen to. Those attributes I love in music are (no particular order): very high levels of musicianship, complexity, deep and broad range of emotional and/or content conveyed, (usually) long form song structure, no need to have "catchy" melodies, no need for verse>chorus>bridge song structure. For me, the above attributes supersede any specific genre. Once the above attributes are met, I am almost genre "agnostic". The metal bands I like have most or all of the above attributes. Progressive metal - Haken, Pain of Salvation, Riverside, Wolverine, Opeth, Caligula's Horse, Lemur Voice, Suncaged, and others. Technical metal - Cynic, Spastic Ink, Tesseract, The Contortionist, Zero Hour, Anomaly, Atheist, Spiral Architect, Counter-World Experience, Meshuggah, Animals as Leaders, and others. |
I can see what you're saying... Here's a breakdown of "the drapery falls" by a classical guy (that you may appreciate). Personally, i myself am a violin player...who went plugged in for a few years because a couple of my buddies back in the days had a metal band. It is harder to insert oneself as a violin player into that scene, but, i tried for a few years. In my head though, i have a similar thought process to the gentleman in this video when i am breaking down tracks i run into. Track breakdown https://youtu.be/Iujfijfnej4?si=YFDkhkXWAEisLNrj Track Opeth - The Drapery Falls https://youtu.be/YeTNkPXRrVY?si=QJeQPGIQ1kDs8ptH
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HR~HM muzic has always appeared to be relegated to post-game soccer fans or just pissed-off punkers looking for a street fight that ought not to be lost....*L* Be that as it may be....3 that make me want to train the dog Not to attack our cats... ...if only to save him a lesson 'bout cat defensive abilities.... 3 samples: Nice linearity test @ 3:04 >....again, lease break loud....;)\ There...all set for something subtle.... ..a sort of SOTA complaint.... *hit resume^ |
Why the obsession among the Hard Rock/Metal genres with themes of pain, death, fear, insanity, etc? I simply do not relate. I don’t know if Richie Kotzen qualifies as Hard Rock but I like this a lot: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkKBcEV75WE
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@stuartk - out of curiosity, what themes do you think they should explore instead for aggressive music like this? |
Not necessarily true, here's an example of Diamond Dave being just a funny guy....
Van Halen - Everybody Wants Some https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4EI8JN-fSLo
P.S. If you walk like this (adopt this gait pattern), your confidence levels shall rise with every step you take. https://www.youtube.com/shorts/iPYl1Vp6rgU
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Sorry for my lack of clarity. I’d never tell any musician what they ought to play! I simply don’t relate to the aggression or focus on psychologically troubled states. I don’t like the way such music makes me feel physically or psychologically but clearly, this is highly subjective. I’m a Jazz fan and can only tolerate so much dissonance. On the other hand, I don’t care for music that is too far to the other side of the spectrum. A certain amount of dissonance/tension can be enlivening. Too much can be assaultive. I like Richie Kotzen because he has incredible chops (he began as a shredder) and can definitely rock hard but is at the same time, very soulful and melodic. |
@stuartk - Oh, I know you wouldn't, Stuart. I was just curious as to what themes you prefer for hard rock and metal, but now I see that this isn't really your preferred genre anyway. It's all good! Enjoy your week.... |
Iron Maiden - Trooper https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VZbjrDwQ28
Essentially reads me to me as a anti-war message, based around true life events from the 1854 Crimean war.....an anti-war message which is much needed in the current world of warlords who are about to nuke the world soon, i suppose.
(can’t quite sing flower gardens, kissing roses or how a gal broke yer heart into a million different pieces to this one....i suppose)
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I don’t think there are actually that many stories/ themes/topics, be it music, visual art or literature. It’s not the what, so much as the how. The Iron Maiden tune is very pumped up -- unrelentingly so. there’s not really any contrast -- it’s just balls out, pedal to the metal, from start to end. Personally, I find this gets monotonous very quickly. Compare it, for example, to Led Zep’s "What Is and What Should Never Be" -- way more contrast and variation in textures, dynamics, timbres. Not saying one is better -- just trying to explain what my preferences are. it’s not that I don’t enjoy rockin’ out -- "Warrior" and "The King Will Come" from Wishbone Ash’s Argus are examples of what I like. Notice how they vary more hard driving riffs with more lyrical passages. All three tunes display the influence of British Folk music. I like this, but no doubt there are those for whom this just comes across as "light-weight". Fair enough. Each to his/her own.
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@stuartk - ah yes, that old bugaboo about categorizations - one person's metal is another person's hard rock and yet another person's 'classic rock'. I think it starts getting a bit silly after awhile; there must be at least 10 sub-genres just under 'metal'. In Hendrix's day, there wasn't any 'classic rock' or 'metal'. Totally agree with you about Wishbone Ash - I always loved that original lineup. Much of Maiden's more wonderfully melodic stuff always struck me in a similar way to Wishbone Ash, with the guitars intertwining in and out.... And Steve Harris from Iron Maiden had historical and literary concerns in much of their music; their's was a more cerebral metal, generally speaking. |
@stuartk Many metal bands are not unidimensional...For example, Opeth (swedish progressive metal) is quite heavy by all standards within the metal genre, though there’s a lot of melody sprinkled in all over.. even with some of their heaviest tracks. But, out of nowhere, they released an album, "Damnation", which is quite unlike any of their heavier works. The entire album’s gold, but here are a couple of tracks from that album, Opeth - Hope Leaves (the recording/studio master if you can get your hands on it is admirable too...) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGPRoszjnWA I noted that one of the highest rated comments on the YT video is a guy talking about how he was homeless & suicidal, but, pulled through listening to this album
Here’s another track from the same album. Opeth - Weakness https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1BIcwJDy5c Not the happiness song on earth (for sure), but, the guy is singing about some personal loss. Diana Krall sang about personal loss in one of her high quality audiophile recordings, but, i just fell asleep when i heard it (that's just me, not speaking for everyone, of course). This guy sang about personal loss, i was wide awake and it touched the depths of my soul somewhere. There are many audiophiles talking about how they couldn’t emotionally connect with the music in spite of having high end gear n all...You listen to something like this on a bluetooth speaker late at night and it might still get ya (no high end rigs are necessary)....Emotional connection is not even a question when the artist himself is something special.
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Can you recommend a particular album that exemplifies the above?
Right... I don't doubt it. I've heard very little. I enjoy the music of those two Opeth tracks. The lyrics, not so much. Perhaps because I’ve experienced depression and anxiety, music that evokes what feels like a familiar emotional weight is difficult to listen to dispassionately as entertainment. This is not to say I only listen to happy music. Far from it. I saw the comment from the homeless suicidal guy, too. Just goes to show a given piece of music can elicit differing reactions from different listeners. Personally, I think D. Krall is vastly overrated. I’m mystified as to why many audiophiles focus on her when there are, IMHO, far better Jazz singers out there, but that’s a topic for another day. I agree with what you assert about emotional connection and gear. My parents had a pretty good system for the 60’s but played strictly Classical and Broadway musicals. I didn’t dislike such music but hearing the Beatles and Motown on my cheap transistor radio in bed made a much deeper impression on me. And it had absolutely nothing to do with fidelity! I feel sorry for guys whose appreciation for music is dependent upon the sonics. |
@stuartk - not so much albums as individual songs; wish I could find that list I made up a few years ago of 'prettier Iron Maiden songs' as I had 6 or 7, but two I could suggest right offhand would be 'Still Life' off of the 'Piece of Mind' album, and 'Infinite Dreams' from 'Seventh Son of a Seventh Son'.... |
@jastralfu +1 on Fair Warning, my favorite VH album also. |
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