@doyle3433 Thank you, I needed that. Good luck to you sir. Enjoy the music
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@waytoomuchstuff posts state many truths.
As for divide and lack of civility, this as old as human existence. wars nearly always being fought. Dehumanizing the 'other' leaves no room for communication or empathy. These events play out due to human predilection for zero sum games, humans much prefer winning to compromise, Contemporary social media is the greatest propaganda machine ever known by humans, presents a perspective that total annihilation of your opponents is within reach, no willingness to compromise when total win within your grasp. |
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I'm just here for the pie.. Honestly I'm here because no one in my personal face to face life is like me, a music and hifi junkie. Years ago I gave up trying to talk to my peeps about music and hifi, the usual response was eyes glazing over and a quick subject change. Here I get to hang out with folks who share my passion (or sickness). I'm not interested in feeding energy vampires. A healthy back and forth is one thing, getting into a derogatory exchange over who's is bigger is another. I have a choice in what I'm going to invest in. ten out of ten times, I'm going to pass on the latter. Life is too short. I'm in my second title fight with cancer and it's taught me for sure what's important and what is not. I'm choosing fun and joy. I'm choosing to be polite and respectful, it costs nothing. Walking away from a conversation that has turned vile, and literally means nothing in the bigger picture is just so damn easy. I love you guys |
“Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge” “They won't listen. Do you know why? Because they have certain fixed notions about the past. Any change would be blasphemy in their eyes, even if it were the truth. They don't want the truth; they want their traditions.” “There is no belief, however foolish, that will not gather its faithful adherents who will defend it to the death.” ― Isaac Asimov |
- its seems that rigid partisanship leaves little room for nuance. Driving an initiative through broad, general, typically profound, riveting statements rallies the troops and clearly differentiates the differences between "us" and "them." What is missing here is the realization that if we discuss items calmly, respectfully, and intellectually, we'll discover that more than one answer can be true. (I can list several examples). That would form agreement, which is totally unacceptable and would weaken our position. So, we continue to shout out talking points, squash descent, and mock alternative viewpoints. - the most divisive, highly energetic, events where people were radicalized to the degree of destroying things (including each other) had some element of disinformation attached to them. The entire premise could based on information that isn't true. Or some elements are intentionally taken out of context, misinterpreted, or "dots" connected where there was no actual connection between them. Its doesn't have to be true, to get us fired up. It just has to compelling. We are beating the snot out of each other based on information that isn't true. The sad (disgusting) part is that the truth is obtainable (or lies dispelled) but, that could blow up the entire thing we are fired up about. Can't have that. Let's just continue to fight. (I can site several examples here, too) |
Before this topic is taken down ... I’ve studied the causes of toxicity, contempt and destain for each other for about 8 years, being involved in several "unite" groups -- including my own. Here are some comments, from a "uniter’s" perspective. - we’ve gone from the holding certain "idealogies" of the sixties, where we were passionate about specific issues, but still liked and respected each other to "identities", where we ARE the thing we support. It’s VERY personal. We just can’t imaging being anything other than who we are. And those who don’t support the "thing" are the polar opposite of US as individuals. We are intelligent, loving, caring, moral, and ethical. Those who disagree with us are ... quite the opposite. There is no wiggle room whatsoever. We are "the good guys" and they are "the bad guys." This "identity" can be healhly, or unhealthy. One who places their indenity as a group member above there identity as a family member, or even their personal identity, can have devastating results. They hate <fill in the blank> more than they love their <fill in family member, lifelong friend, coworker>. - What’s in it for them? Anyone who contributes to a particular subject has a reason for doing so. It could be that they want to contribute, learn, be challenged or have an intellectual exchange. It could also be not-so-admirable traights (too many to list here). There’s also a difference between an attempt to be persuasive, and an attempt to nullify and humiliate. The list will continue on the next post. (I want to get these out there before it’s taken down). |
It’s just people being people about something they feel passionately about. Everyone knows something, but no one knows everything, and an awful lot seem to think their way is the only way. It’s always nice to be nice, even if we don’t agree. It’s such a personal and subjective thing...we don’t have to have the same favorite beer to enjoy a beer together! |
You answered your own question. People that feel insecure may feel threatened by a different opinion which they may consider a threat so they feel more secure by doubling down on their opinion and rejecting the other opinion, which can be become personal. So lashing out at a different opinion and the person is a defense mechanism. The best defense is a strong offense or in this example offensive behavior. If people feel secure they are more likely to be open to listening to different opinions that challenge their own way of thinking. |
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It's the nature of modern online posting.The algorithms of lots of sites reward bad behavior and promote a lack of tolerance and these stupid manifestations spill over to other sites. It's a pathetically limited learned response as evidenced by intolerance that leads to firstly, going nuclear, and then censorship. We're living in a world of what online observers call rage monkeys. It's like that movie, The Crazies, but there wasn't any military plane crash that leaked chemicals into the local water source for a small city that drove them insane. They just spent too much time online at the wrong sites. All the best, |
You ain't got no friends on your left, your right you ain't got no friends on your right, your left sound off one two three four hit it again one two three four. Alright one more One, two, three, and a quarter CO, CO, He's a sucker Three months later and all was well CO looked at me with a grin
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You're asking a group of hobbyists of varying stripes in what can be construed as a rigidly dogmatic hobby by some of it's members, who, alienated from family and friends, take to a public forum to expound how they have the answers to the rest who simply enjoy it for the love of the music they can get from their systems, why they all can't just get along? Have I got that right? All the best, |
