If I were you I'd be searching the used sections as you'll get much more for your dollar.
Phono Preamp Selection
I have no idea of which Phono Preamp I should purchase. I read the reviews from Audio Science and the author provides testing criteria and results for Phono Preamps. I do not have a awesome system - rather it is just a nice system. I reviewed (Pro-ject Phono Box DC MM/MC / Cambridge Audio Duo / IFI Zen / Schitt Skoll ). My turntable is a MoFi with a Hana MC Cartridge. 500.00 is my budget as I am just a listener of old vintage records. My amp is a Denon and my speakers are bookshelf Triangle(s). Appreciate your time and responses.
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I would try one of these if a used one comes up for sale: |
I am not very familiar with this price category, although I have over fifty years of experience with phono stages. +1 buy used, this will get you in a higher performance category. I much prefer tubes phono stages. Finally, disregard anything you have read on ASR, some guys with instruments that love to chart things… but their reviews are vitally guaranteed to lead you away from good sounding equipment and towards flat lifeless sounding equipment. |
@ghdprentice I have heard good things about Jolinda, and a lot on the used market (which may be a red flag?) |
Schiit Skoll review: https://trackingangle.com/equipment/schiit-skoll-is-not-a-schiit-show |
Used there are actually a number of very good sounding MC stages at that price point. I’ve owned the Dynavector P75 (any version - I had a Mk 1!) and PS Audio GCPH. Both very good. The GCPH had a little hum at higher gain levels but I understand there are ways to mitigate this (maybe even just rotating the toroid). I always love & recommend Jim Hagerman’s phono products (killer value), and though I haven’t yet heard his new Bugle MC, it should be amazing for the money ($289 new). |
@grislybutter @smerk +1 on the Moon 110LP. I have the 310 LP with 320S PSU. |
I have heard Jolinda equipment, although not the phonostage. Sounded great to me, natural and musical. I think they went out of business in 2017. But, I’m not sure that would stop me. Well made high end simple devices like phonostages should last decades and should be sevicable by any good audio technicians. Personally, this probably gives you a real discount. I personally would take it over a Sim any day. I used to own some Sim equipment, looks nice, built well, not very musical. |
“ I used to own some Sim equipment, looks nice, built well, not very musical.“ I was just thinking that other day when I returned a $12K tube phonostage. Looked amazing, built well but not very musical. I mean it sounded nice but nothing like something that draws you into music immediately. I’d experienced that instant immediacy with Shindo, Accuphase, New Audio Frontier to name a few. When you know what to listen for, you know it right away :-) |
Hello smerk, I'm very pleased with my Schiit Skoll. It has a neutral presence which is one aspect that I prefer in phono preamps. The Skoll's flexibility allows you to adjust gain so that both MC and MM carts are compatible. The remote control is an added convenience. Also, IMO, the price point (under $400) makes it an excellent value. I listen to a variety of vinyl from all genres/artists and the Skoll does a fine job with all. BTW my primary TT is a "vintage" Denon DP 51F loaded with a Dynavector 10x5-Mk ll cart. Good hunting in your search. |
@ghdprentice perhaps you mean Jolida? Now Black Ice. I have their tube DAC. Amazing for the money with good NOS tubes. phono’s are out of budget for the OP @z32kerber GN PH-10 and PSU-10 are great for the money but used are 3x the OP’s budget and even the PH-5 might be overkill - the Denon may become the weak link at that point. OP. Lots of great suggestions but the Skoll is a bargain and you can try one for 2 weeks - not long but enough, I think. Low risk.
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https://forum.audiogon.com/posts/2729228 If you like Jolida gear check out Black Ice Audio. Jolida reborn. |
The Pearl 3 Phonostage Built and ready for use, for the monies being asked in the Link, really does give a substantial VFM. This type of design using quality components, when built by the hand of a competent EE, or enthusiast, adept with EE Skills, will produce a Phonostage very difficult to compete with. Have a read on the Pearl 3 Thread to be found in the Link, to learn about the designers, design concept, through to the Builds being produced and user reports on offer. https://www.diyaudio.com/community/threads/pearl-3-clone-build.417145/
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You might check to be certain, but I believe that the Hana's will work with a transimpedance phono stage. Look for a used Sutherland TZ vibe. They retail at $1400 but you may find one on the used market. Ron Sutherland makes 2 more expensive models, and you may catch someone upgrading! |
Don't know specific models, particularly if you include used options (+1). I would make sure that 1) you can set different resistance values for your MC cart, as it affects sound profoundly; 2) the settings are available from the front. Dip switches on the back or underneath the unit (or even inside: yikes) are pain to work with, IMHO. Even is you only play around in the beginning, dials/switches not in front are impeding you to adjust the unit to its fullest potential. my 2c. |
As an individual who has over a period of many years experienced in use numerous Phonostages, as a result of visiting the homes of other Audio Enthusiasts who have Analogue Sources and attending Forum arranged Phonostage Bake Off's. The demo's received have left myself with a certain way of generalisation for describing the impressions made. Note: These demo's had, which are being described are not recent and are demo's that in general were restricted to a few repeat tracks used for each device, and one track the devices owner believed allowed to to perform at its best. The assessments made and being shared, even though formed subjectively, are from my own encounter with the sound able to be produced, where the overall experience and evaluation made is indelible to myself. When being at a Phonostage Bake Off, there are a range of Phon's that range in purchase value (commercial background) / build value ( DIY / Commission Build). At the events I have attended, the Values of Purchase /Build are batched. Up to £2K, £2K - £4K - £4K and above. I have not discovered a Phon' from a (commercial background) in the 'Up to £2K' range that has been selected to go on into the next scale of upping the price range. I have witnessed and agreed with the decision made for a ( DIY / Commission Build) to be selected to enter into the up the scale price range. I have witnessed at a Bake Off, where a £2K -£4K( DIY / Commission Build) has been in the final group to be contested, and the Finale has been between a £10K (commercial background) and a £2K -£4K( DIY / Commission Build). Using short periods of time for assessing a Phon' is not ideal, but in comparison events on a particular system, there are Phon's that just fall away as not bringing anything with noticeable attraction. Then there are the Phon's that Pop with their appeal, and then Phon's that Popped with appeal, that are bettered by Phon's with more attraction for their uniqueness of an attractive Pop. My experiences had, strongly suggest the best experiences to be has with a Phon', where a limited budget is a controlling factor for the purchase to be made, is that a ( DIY / Commission Build) is able to offer a route to own a Phon' that has substantial and notable improvements over (commercial background) Phon's that are costing similar, and in some cases, the ( DIY / Commission Build) will compete very similar to a (commercial background) Phon' that has a cost that is much much more. The hardest part in making a selection, is learning where there is to be found from a Phon', an end sound that is of most attraction to the end user. Getting this in place, takes footwork and broadening ones own experiences of being demo'd Phon's in use. |
@pindac Have you had the opportunity to audition the Pearl 3 phono stage at some point? If so what were your impressions? It is available as a DIY kit for only $150. |
I have not heard the Pearl 3, but have been able to listen to a variety if DIY / Commission Built Phon's in both SS and Valve, that have been extremely attractive as a device in comparison to other devices, of which some are DIY Kit and others from a Commercial background. A Phon' produced as design from a designer like that of the range of Pearl Phon's with the 3 being the latest from 2023, has the potential to make a really good impression. There are user reports to be found that compares it to other Phon's and it is the recommended model as the outcome. There are also builds now showing there are components now being made known that are making a further impression of betterment, which at some point may commence being referred to as an upgrade. As stated, the EE skill set of the builder goes a long way when producing Phon's. |
Don't know if you've bought anything yet, but this just popped up. Spend the extra $100 and you'll have a KILLER phono stage. Read the terrific reviews. Not associated in any way with seller. https://www.audiogon.com/listings/lisbbaid-parasound-halo-jc3-jr-phono |