For me the least expensive amp I could live with is the Synthesis A40 (costs around $8,000); if I needed more power it would be their A100 amp. Both have built in DACs I could live with. The power amp I currently operate costs about 8.5 times the A40 price, and I own another amp that costs around twelve times as much. These amps are better, but not by a wide margin.
???What's The LEAST Expensive "End Game"Amplifier You've Ever Heard???
Pretty simple question..
While I’m sure the "No Such Thing" crowd will make sure they represent,I’m not interested in their rhetoric..
I am however,most interested to hear from those who have heard integrated amplifiers they could get off the merry go round with,ESPECIALLY if it was on the more budget end of cost..For myself it would have to be the Sugden A21SE but that was 2 years ago,before the cost climbed to $4000.00......
Thanks for participating..
Without prejudice to: (a) The oxymoron embedded in the title now ignored for purposes of a reply herein; and, (b) Before the bespoke merits of stepping up into the thin-air or oxygen-breather audio performance strata choices saddled with their unavoidable high-end strata eye-watering price-points BUT arguably better reflective of actual ‘end game” classification ….. My personal (emphasis-added); “arguably still affordable for the masses” end-game option is the REGA OSIRIS integrated amp. |
I’ve got three to contribute. Main system is a factory modified Cary SLI 80 HS, it just does everything perfectly for me. Paired with Volti Razz, it’s a match made in heaven. Musical, powerful, dynamic. I can’t think of anything the pairing is missing. Part of the why is when I auditioned the Razz at Volti HQ, mastermind creator Greg and I listened to the Razz and Cary for hours, well into the night. Next is an integrated I’ve searched many years for. Mission Cyrus Two with the PSX power supply. It literally made my old TDLs in my man cave come alive and sound like they always should have. Full, musical, muscular even, without loosing their British accent. And at such a bargain in excellent condition! lastly the Margules ACRH -3. What a fine sounding hybrid. Unique, musical, powerful. I could live happily with just one of these. |
Sugden makes good products. For me, it was Accuphase E-650 that pretty much ended my desire to consider any other brands out there. The synergy with your speakers is critical when selecting an Integrated. I have tried other Integrated’s costing 3 or 4 times more but they weren’t a good match. So, IMHO cost of an equipment is a secondary consideration. |
@jl35 agree on the Gato Amp 150. Have it and love it. Though I would love if a DAC was also included. @akg_ca agree. My own recommendation would be much cheaper than all here - Vincent Audio SV200. A small/petite hybrid amp. Its size and power ratings do not represent what it can do. It runs 3 of my massive speakers superbly- Qualio IQ, Axxess L3 and Omega Junior 8 XRS. |
This is one of best threads I have seen in my limited time in this forum. It’s actually helpful! There generally are poor resources for buying used equipment to set up a really good system. You are really on your own if you are new to this and not able to spend unlimited amounts. Everything seems to be available used and it’s not junk. I would love it if the cognoscenti would regularly scan US Audio Mart and throw out system recommendations based on what’s out there. That would be so helpful! |
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Depending on your speakers a true end game amplifier that you wouldn't want or need to ever upgrade is the SE84UFO25 by Decware. Two of the most musical watts out there. The Decware owner actually made the first amp for himself as a state of the art SET amplifier. It turned out so good that he offered at over three times the cost of the SE84UFO and now the Decware backlog is an over three year wait time. It's a niche product for people with speakers in the 100DB sensitivity range but is truly a piece of equipment that you can inexpensively tube roll and tune for the specific sound characteristic you desire. |
I agree with you @danager! Those willing to DIY can bypass the waiting list and build their own with a printed circuit board and instructions from Steve Deckert for only $45. https://www.decware.com/newsite/SE84CDIY.htm the whole project cost me a bit under $600 a few years ago. |
I wouldn't (at this point in my journey) choose and integrated amplifier for myself, I prefer a separate preamp and amplifiers; specifically a tube preamp with both tube and SS amplifiers.....at least in my main system. The Hegel H590 (now H600) would be that choice if I had to choose. An acquaintance in my audio group owns one I get to hear on occasion, and it really is a wonderful piece of gear. I might even be able to live with the built in DAC, if not it's streamer If I was putting together a reasonably priced system for a garage or office, I could absolutely live with a Heaven 11 Billie Amp MKII. At $2,000 it's an absolute steal, and wonderful integrated. It appears the Billie MKII is sold out, and there is an upcoming Billie MKIII coming out soon which will be modular. You can even choose your output engine, Hypex or ICEPower.....will be following that release later this year |
I love my Arion Audio S500. Shoebox size digital switching amp designed and built by Mike Kallelis. 500 watts per channel, super clean, neutral sound. Plus, it weighs only about 22 pounds! Price should be under $3000. A real bargain, and I can't see myself ever replacing it in an attempt to upgrade. If it ain't broken...
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The Pass Labs XA25 is one of the most 'transparent' amps and a reference for many reviewers. Audiophiliac, Stereophile, Absolute Sound. I have one paired to Harbeth 30.2 40th and it is a match made in heaven. |
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When I bought my Simaudio 340i, I was auditioning it against the Bryston B135 cubed and Cronus Magnum III. I picked it because it's really musical, has great current capability resulting in excellent woofer control. A really neutral, very capable amplifier section. My analog section consists of the 340i phono stage being fed by a Graham Slee MC amplifier connected to a Mofi Ultradeck/AT-OC9SH cartridge. The digital side is a Chord Qutest feeding the single ended input of the 340i. At this point there are many things I'll upgrade, like cables etc., before considering replacing the 340i. |
This thread does a disservice to the uninitiated by recommending SET and tube amps providing less than 10 watts of power without knowing what kind of speakers are being powered. If you're new to audio please do not just go out and buy an amp based on a recommendation here without considering system synergy and speaker sensitivity. For example, I once purchased a Pass Labs XA25 that someone else recommended in this thread and with my 95db sensitivity speakers the XA25 sounded veiled with rolled off highs and loose uncontrolled wooly bass . Sure it was warm and offered a tonally denser midrange but I hated everything else about it compared to the other amps in my stable. I couldn't sell that thing fast enough. |
An integrated wouldn’t be my “end-game” amp. Get a non-functional McCormack DNA 0.5 for around 500 bucks and send it to SMcAudio and have them rebuild it for you. Absolute SOTA amp on the relative cheap, and then just buy the preamp flavor of your choice to go with it. I use an LTA MZ2 tube pre (with upgraded LPS), but that’s me. |
The XA-25 is an astonishing sounding amp ("veiled and rolled off highs with wooly bass" are absolutely NOT part of the XA-25 sound in my experience) and I’ve enjoyed mine tremendously for a few years now. It’s a keeper, as is my Had Firebottle HO (high output...ha...) SEP...that thing cost me about 1100 bucks and it was only a few months old (maybe 5 years ago). I swap between the two amps as my mood dictates and use very efficient horn speakers, so there’s that. Had and Pass make integrated amps from these two designs which are also well regarded. |
If you're into tubes, Raven Audio makes one hellava great sounding integrated amp... Check out the Night Hawk: https://ravenaudio.com/product/nighthawk-mk3-tube-amplifier/ |