Pass would by my recommendation, but you should audition it with your speakers to verify that it's enough power.
Pass....Accuphase....or......
Hi Audiogoners!
I need a new power amp to my Verity Audio Parsifal Ovation (18 watts minimum recommended input power / 8 ohm).
Have a Mark Levinson No.532 that keeps broking down and it's getting too expensive to fix in Europe.
Music: Classical/symphonic and jazz.
Room: 13 x 26
Preamp: Auralic DAC/Pre (but this can change....)
Ideas so far:
Pass Labs XA-25 (hype or really good and powerful enough?)
Accuphase A-48 (too polite?)
If you have a minute....I need ideas in that price range...+/- $$. Thanks!
I tested the Pass 250.8 at home with other speakers (Audio Physic Cardeas) but I was not impressed. I hear people saying the XA 25 is a different Pass. Can someone comment on that? Luxman don't have many power amps to choose from....i think. I play only HD-files from my hard drive so an integrated is a waste of money. Maybe a Pass HPA-1 can be my future preamp and I get a nice phone amp as well. |
I had the XA-25. It is really good and will replace 18 Wpc no problem. I used it with 50W min speakers. There were a rare few recordings that would clip the highs momentarily at loud levels and I sold it. That was a mistake. I now have Corwalls driven by the Pass Int-25. The XA was in another league with a good tube pre. It was neutral, no sound of its own, and never sterile. I found the bottom octave very well defined but weak. A REL sub blended transparently and it was truly Really good. Impressive dynamics, noise floor and drive. |
I wouldn't rule out the Accuphase, but I would give it a listen before buying. Some people do feel that Accuphase is polite, but to me it is just very low distortion. As far as matching with your speakers, Accuphase claims to double down to 1 ohm.. The December 2023 Stereophile has a review and measurements of the A-300, which is not exactly what you want, but may be helpful. The A-300 also was named Amplification Component of the Year in the December 2024 Stereophile. Don't count it out without hearing it. |
The A-300 is a beast....almost like the one I already have. The problem with these big expensive amps is that it is almost impossible to service them if they breake after the guaranty is gone. I don't have the money to send them around the world for service. The last problem with the ML was 3.000 USD. That's why I want a more "normal" amp. |
I have owned Verity Audio Parsifal Ovation speakers since 2010 driven mostly by a Luxman L-509u integrated amp and more recently by a class A Luxman L-595A SE integrated amp which sounded lovely as did an Accuphase E-380 120W class A/B integrated amp. Last year I had a chance to acquire a pair of Verity Audio Arindal speakers - one size up from the Parsifal but a little more sensitive at 93 dB (vs 89 dB for the Parsifal). I drove them for a short time with the L-595A which I replaced with an Accuphase A-48 amp and C-2900 preamp. What a wonderful combination! The Luxman L-595A was my introduction to class A amps, but the A-48 took everything to the next level. Accuphase class A amps are legendary - from their integrated amps like the E-650, E-800 to separates such as the A-48, A-80 or A-300. I would highly recommend pairing Verity Audio speakers with Accuphase or Luxman amps - but especially Accuphase.
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Accuphase built to very high standards…they don’t breakdown easily. Consider their latest A48S, which has more than enough power to drive your speakers. As @tomcy6 pointed out…low distortion, tube like harmonics that Pass Labs and Luxman simply cannot match. I choose Accuphase over T+A, Dartzeel, Pass and Luxman to pair with my Canterbury’s. |
Accuphase is an interesting company which produces high quality components in small batches by hand to very high standards. They have limited their size and production volumes to 5,000 units and only have about 85 employees - 26 of whom are engineers. They are primarily focused on the Japanese market and only about 30% of their units are destined for export. According to the Management and Corporate Policy posted on the Accuphase website, they limit production to 5,000 units per year and are not looking to expand: "One of the corporate principles that Accuphase has observed since its https://www.accuphase.com/company_profile/a2_management_policies_2.pdf |
Pass Lab products have the reputation for being built to be extremely reliable. This reputation is based not on verbiage from their website, but rather by very rarely having a problem in peoples system. |
I use an Accuphase A-36 power amp and Accuphase C-2450 preamp along with Fritz Carrera speakers and an Aurender A20. The sound is sublime. I owned a Pass Labs XA25, Boulder 866, Ayer VX-5 Twenty, Luxman 509z, and a few others and all are great amplifiers. However, I cannot recommend any over the A-48 you mention. The only reason I didn't go with something bigger than the A-36 is because my speakers do not require more power to achieve the great sound those Fritz speakers are capable of producing. I also use the A-36 with Klipsch Chorus IIs. Perhaps not a popular choice for many but I love their house sound and I also use a 10wpc Luxman tube amp that has a synergy with those speakers like no others I owned or heard. The ONLY other recommendation I have is get a matching Accuphase preamp. I have tried other premps, both SS and tube but the Accuphase preamps produce the best sound for me. |
@OP - The build quality of the Michis is not in the same league as the Pass. And yes, the XA 25 is quite different sounding to the 250. The 25 doubles its power as impedance is halved so it has a lot more real world power than the nominal specification suggests. Pass Class A amps are very refined sounding so they can sound less "loud" than some other designs - that puts some people off on a quick audition. The XA 25's input gain is slightly on the low side so you need to check overall compatibility with your system. I think your Veritys are on the high side of average efficiency-wise so it will probably work. As always, the best solution is to find a good dealer who will provide an audition with your own DAC/Pre and speakers. |
For what it’s worth, here is my input as a hardcore Accuphase fanboy. For amplification I have C-3900, and A-300s, driving TAD CR1TX. I’ve had other models before. Please consider the following input based on my experience:
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I use an XA25 to drive a set of ZU Omen Def Supremes in a 24x21 room it is far more powerful than the ratings would make you think. The amp easily powers to 95 db at my listening position with power to spare. The ZUs are effecient. The amp is built like a tank. It is my final amp purchase I couldn’t be happier with a product. |
I have owned XA25 for 5 yrs. 25W Class A and it has over 80 W output capability. I bought this brand because of reliability. It is overbuilt! It weighs 49 lbs. It gets warm. I have 100dB Klipsch Cornwall clones. I use a passive preamp. The sound comes through neutral with dynamics, clarity, great soundstaging. This is the only Pass Labs built single ended. I have heard Luxman solid state. It is warm and luscious. An attempt to have a tubey sound. This is not a bad thing. Not sure who services them in the US. Accuphase is near the top for solid state. It is just a natural beautiful sound. It has been a long time but Accuphase and Klipschorns were memorable IMO. A very small dealer network and not sure about service. All of these companies make very nice equipment that you will not get tired of. |
I had the Parsifal Encore and they like to have some power 18wpc won't show you the potential of these speakers. You can also get something with a bit of bit as they are naturally pretty laid back. The Luxman rec is good but after owning Luxman amps for 15 years I can't really listen to them anymore, maybe bored or just wanting something different. Great speaker give them some breathing room and enjoy! |
+1 @bjesien as an owner of the Parsifal Encore I totally agree with your recommendations for something with both power and a bit of bite. |
I have the XA 25. Digital source is the Esoteric K-01XS, pre is Benchmark LA4, speakers Rockport Atria II (which, thankfully, I bought before the 50% price increase!). Yes, it IS really good. My room is a bit larger than yours, 25x45, and the XA 25 can fill the room - I listen to "classical" music and it is supremely satisfying. Caveat: my speakers are 4 ohm so the XA 25 can deliver 50watts. The XA 25 is actually push-pull, but is pure class A. Pure is a word that I would use to describe the sound. Do read the reviews, the professional reviewers can describe the sound (actually the absence of any signature) better than I. It is 100% revealing of the source, unforgiving of poor recordings but displays the glories of the best. I absolutely recommend that you audition this amplifier.
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+1 @vinylvalet The under the radar gem in amplifiers. |
I have not heard Accuphase amps, but recently added a Pass XA-25 to my system. I have previously owned the First Watt M2 and Sit-3 amps. I am using the XA-25 with high sensitivity open baffle speakers (100dB, 8 ohms) and Fritz tower speakers (unknown sensitivity, 4 ohms). My description is that the sound is enveloping. Detailed, beautiful. It digs deeper into the music than my two other amps, a 45 stereo amp and 46 monoblocks. I love those amps with the open baffle speakers, but the Pass in my system just makes me smile and listen for longer. I also get the sense that it has more powerful than advertised. Also it is built like a tank. |
@toronto416 how did the sound improved with the Parcifals going from class AB to A? Would you recommend class A? |
I heard A75, pushing Fyne speakers. Warm, musical, extended high, rich mid, dark background and big SS. Bass is nimble but not as 'punchy' as some class A/B or D amps. Never heard Pass but both pure class A are supposed to be excellent performers. Both are able to maintain high current / wattage output at impedance even down to 2 ohm, with an output efficiency up to 100%. The S/N ratio of Accuphase is higher relative to Pass (117 vs 97 dB weighted). |
Another vote for the Pass XA25. It is driving a pair of Harbeth 30.2. compared it to Ayre at twice the price and Luxman. To me and as reported by many, it is a very neutral and transparent sound. With a tad warmth and pure class A drive. It is being used by many reviewers as a reference amp in that price point because of its qualities. |
@southofdallas I think @lanx0003 described Accuphase class A sound really well. I would add that Class A Accuphase amps have a wonderfully liquid midrange that pairs so well with Verity Audio's midrange excellence. |
@yoyoyaya not in the same league eh? Thought the Michis were a Ken Ishiwata project before he passed away. So, care to explain how nelson pass is on a "different league" n all? For whatever it’s worth, I own a electronics company. But, I am always learning, willing to be educated....Feel free to take your time, let’s go board by board and explore this dark art of analog circuits design together.. as you demystify it for me.. |
@yoyoyaya I can understand conventional electronics designed in the regular world of engineering, i.e. the non audio electronics because the "sonic attributes" of circuits is never taught in engineering at any level (masters, phd whatever), never presented in any coursework or even remotely considered in the non-audio world. But, it is a very real thing. It is a unique form of empirical information that is acquired by audio companies and held close (in-house secrets). Some sound master guy has to sit and listen forever to every li'l change and painstakingly derive such information. I claim full ignorance to all of it... So, If you know something, enlighten me, i'm all ears. How is Nelson Pass playing on a different league than Rotel or Yamaha or all these other guys? If a design space has say 20 possible permutations, a company with more resources may be able to explore more of them..A smaller company may be able to explore a few of them, etc. What are these "leagues" based on?
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@Deep33 - what I actually commented on was build quality. I've seen a number of failures of Michi products versus superb reliability of Pass. The fit and finish of the Pass's is better than the Michis. That matters to some, less so to others. As regards design, I have frequently found that products which have a consistent design approach which is refined over many years end up sounding better than those whose designs chop and change frequently. That's just my observation. Again, others may differ. |