I sure have! For now!
I find myself "tuning out" anymore.....is the magic fading?
I think I might have hit a plateau in my audiophile/hi-fi journey.
I'm not saying that I don't enjoy listening to my system and music, I certainly do.
However, (and not trying to turn this into a b*tch session), I am REALLY tired of a lot of things that go along with this hobby.
It dawned on me when I received (unsolicited, mind you) a copy of Stereophile and a MusicDirect catalog the other day in the mail.
I can't find a single thing in either magazine that I actually want. Nothing. Even the pretty ad pictures just don't do it for me.
I used to subscribe to several YouTube audio influencer channels. I can't hardly sit through any of them anymore without grimacing. Everything is the "latest/greatest/gotta have it" product. Not only do I just not really trust you any more, but I find myself simply not interested in what you are peddling.
How many different speakers are you going to audition? Jeez.....buy a set and enjoy them. They can't ALL be the speakers you've ever heard.
Even on here, I find discussions of whether or not some tweak works or doesn't work (cables/fuses/magic rocks, whatever....) to be boring and not worth the time to respond. They might work for you, might not work, I don't care.
Any discussions using the term "Snake Oil" will be summarily dismissed from any future consideration of thought.
Which DAC is the best? How come I still listen to CDs when you can rip all your music to a HD? You NEED a turntable! Your amp is old and sucks. Buy some new speaker cables. Double blind test your interconnects and you'll see.... The Pink Panther brigade says if I measure it, it must be true. (Your ears be d*mned!) You NEED to do this/that or the other thing....because I said so.
Maybe some day I'll get the "upgrade-itis" bug again, but at this point, I'm just not interested. Jaded might be a good word, I don't know....burnt out? Overload?
Anyway, rant over. Was just wondering if anyone else ever got to this point.
I've been in and out of this pursuit since around 1970. There have been periods of my life where I didn't even have a system set up, though I stored the gear and LPs. I don't subscribe to, or read, the audio magazines any more, though there were periods early on when I was an avid reader. And there were times when I was consumed by the hobby in the process of improving a system, doing big home theater systems in my homes using projection (starting in the early '90s). My current main system started pretty much from scratch in around 2006-7 and the core of that system remains in place. I set up a vintage system based around several components I owned since the early to mid '70s. Much of my attention in the last decade plus has been focused on jazz from the early '70s--more the spiritual or astral stuff and soul jazz rather than "straight ahead" material, though I'm a fan of Art Pepper. I'd say it's normal for interest to wax and wane. Most of us are gear heads and get caught up in the sonics for their own sake--to me that's a trap and the analytic part of listening for improvements (some changes are just "different," not necessarily "better") detracts from taking in the music for its own sake. That said, I have musical preferences that change over time, and it's nice when the sonics of a recording/pressing bring out the best in a recorded performance. |
I go through upgrade cycles. Frenetic activity... research, testing, purchasing, burning in, tweaking... then bliss. Bliss is listening without yearning for a new piece of equipment... knowledge that I have a fully optimized system on the forefront of best possible system at the state of technology / financial ability. In the old days, I just could not wait for the new album, or coffee in the morning with a couple hours of music. Evenings, similar. No thought other than enjoyment of the music. While I would continue to monitor Stereophile, and The Absolute Sound... but with casual interest. Years would pass. My financial condition would improve and slowly my interest in the next upgrade cycle would slowly emerge. For a year before, I would scan the magazines at a greater depth and interest. The I would begin the upgrade cycle. Over time I have found the urge ceases me about every seven to ten years. They cycles take about two years. In between, musical bliss. |
Yep. I "finished" in 1996. Restarted now because one component decided it was no longer playing nice with the rest (50 Hz humming on one channel - only when connected to a specific pre-amp), so needed a new DAC. And now, the anxiety over 'do I need a subwoofer'? Or 'are my amp/pre/speakers/transport still good enough?' 'What about streaming?' Enough already. I'm enjoying reading (some of) the posts on the forum, and some of the conversations, but I'm not willing to relapse into upgraditis. |
I don't even think about getting new stuff. The music is the main source of enjoyment. Specifically new music discovery I find entertaining. Like hunting. Sometimes a week or two will pass without turning on the stereo. No guilt and the desire returns in time. It happens naturally. Like having a girlfriend. "Absense makes the heart grow fonder" and sometimes tweaking is fun and can be an important part of the realtionship to prevent boredom. |
You're at the "Just listen and enjoy music" phase. Kinda like retirement and thinking-"what now?" Enjoy life. I'm there, but when that MD catalog shows up every year, I always do an imaginary shopping cart with $250K+ of stuff. Once I drop the arm on a great LP, new gear acquisition fades away. The only things of concern these days are just consumables-cartridge and tubes? |
I feel pretty much the same way. After so many years of anything, it can start to get old, including high end audio. Although my love and passion for the music never gets old, the things you described about high end audio got old for me many years ago. I've been filtering out most of the BS associated with the hobby for many years now. At this juncture, I mainly concentrate on relaxing, enjoying and engrossing myself in the wonderful audio system I painstakingly and lovingly assembled together that brings me so much warmth and musical delight. Life can be simple. Happy listening. |
Early on in my audiophile journey in discover/learning phase, seeking out the knowledgeable and hearing as many systems as possible, exciting times, full of desire for all the things I didn't have, Then went into acquiring phase, thus, began the merry go round, discovering what I wanted out of my own system. There were many success and failures during this phase, luckily I was able to see the failures as learning experience, finding listening bliss was an elusive goal, but I couldn't give up, I could just as well call this the addiction phase. Over time I learned and acquired and/or modified equipment to my exact listening preferences to the point where I'm pretty much settled on a end game system, still making small, incremental changes not so much out of need, rather to maintain my interest in audiophile hobby. I"ve attained the sound quality I always dreamed of, the audiophile in me keeps the addiction going. It will likely take circumstances beyond my control to end my pursuit of change really for change sake. |
The pendulum of suffering: when you get what you’re after, you’re bored. When you don’t get it, you’re frustrated. Either way, you lose. This is basic Schopenhauer, but it applies to the hobby of audio. It's clear -- you're tired of chasing goals. That makes a lot of sense. The path out of this is, as some here are saying, to shift to activities that don’t involve specific goals. Kieran Setiya writes about this in his recent book Midlife. Setiya, to crib from a recent piece on this, "argues that “atelic” activities — things we enjoy for their own sake — make us fulfilled. Too often, he states, we are consumed with “telic” activities: goal-driven projects that leave us unsatisfied in the present. (The terms derive from “telos,” the Greek word for “goal.”) “What really matters is that some important things in your life, things you regard as sources of meaning, are atelic,” Setiya says. “Reading, or walking, or thinking about philosophy, or parenting, or spending time with your friends or family are activities that don’t have an endpoint built in. There isn’t a sense that in doing it you’re exhausting it, as if you could complete the project of hanging out with your friends.” SOURCE: https://news.mit.edu/2017/how-philosophy-can-solve-your-midlife-crisis-1003 |
It can be difficult to both realize and admit that our taste are changing, especially as we get older. Especially when we realize that the hobby or Pursuit that we have chased so diligently for years just no longer matters to us as much as it did. I think I'm at your stage as well and so far as I like still reading stereophile, but I have no urge to get any of this stuff that I ever see in there even if it's affordable. And to illustrate this point I guess, a few months ago I rebuilt and refurbished my father-in-law's old pair of coral BX 200 speakers he had gotten when he was in Vietnam. They had been sitting in his garage for decades and he told me to take them and so I did and I restored the cabinets and the facing and replaced and upgraded the crossover and restored the tweeters as best I could and added dampening material and all that jazz and I've had them played in my system now for over a month with my normal reference 3A decapos sitting off to the side and I couldn't be happier. So it's not a question of sound quality, it's just a question of listening. |
Discovering great music new to one’s self leads to more musical fulfillment/pleasure/enjoyment than does the purchase of most components, assuming one has already assembled a system of "adequate" quality, adequate being a matter of personal standards. IMO. That statement also assumes the system has been assembled to serve the music, rather than visa versa. Music first, or sound quality? Some of my favorite music is not of audiophile-grade sound quality.
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How good can the equipment Get? When is there a Stop point? I got of the merry-go-round. I have the speakers that sound great to me. I have separates and plenty of Bi-Amped power. My room has been treated with the proper panels and RTA-ed with a Real time Analyzer. The speakers are nice and Flat at the No preamp in EQ with the 1/3 Octave EQ's set. What else can I do.........I Know........Just listen and enjoy. |
@coralkong Yes. To answer your question, has anyone got to the point where they’re just not interested. I think I’ve (almost) burnt out on buying new gear, because I’m running out of money. Also, better gear will not overcome the problems I’ve identified in my system, namely, the room! I’ve got a lot to do before buying new gear makes any sense. And, like many, it’s hard to get excited about gear that costs $10,000 to $14,000 (or more) for each piece. Add to that the fact that my septuagenarian ears are unlikely to discern the difference anyway. I’m still curious about the new technology that comes to market, but I’m just not as ‘involved’ as I used to be. For me, right now, it’s about making the most of the equipment I currently own. I feel the need to start ‘enjoying the music,’ as so many advise. It’s not all about acquisition, it’s about enjoyment too. (Although acquisition is certainly a lot of fun.) |
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Time for a break @coralkong you’ve been listening too hard reading too many posts do some other stuff. Read few good books, watch good movies, travel, see a live band, go to a classical concert, get a dog :) It will come back. |
so true. Maybe you are just normal @coralkong not crazy like some of us. |
I stepped off the crazy chain awhile back...became obvious that SOTA was unobtanium at the practical level and would likely remain such short of a lotto win. 'Not likely', and gaps of having anything up and charming drove me to 'selective acquisitions': If it appealed to me in some fashion with a price rational through free. A bit large all in one place; it could re-emerge into 4 systems, all of which would even out as for what it'd consist of. Friend OP, take the tip to take a break... distract for awhile, consider what you'd really like to do with the musics in your life, where and what. Everything after is just an illusion. ;) |
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Yes, everyone I know who is in the hobby of Audio has had to Take a Break. When it hit me, a long time ago, I mothballed the whole thing for several years. More recently, whenever I feel like I am sliding back into complacency (with Audio/Music) I have Completely Dismantled, meticulously cleaned, straightened, repaired, painted, treated contacts, tested tubes… whatever seemed doable and re-assembled. It is shocking how long it takes, what ills are “discovered “ and how differently the whole contraption can be re-assembled. Improvements, yes, failed ideas, sometimes, but the important thing is the Exercise of re-evaluation coupled with the Time it takes (could be days, weeks, months…?) can rekindle your interest. The worst that can happen is you have newly prepared equipment for the Used Market. |
I remember when the big screen rear projection tv years before Super Bowl in 1985..And then movies and then you needed 6 or 7 speakers with a Big Amp and then a Super Subwoofer..Yikes...And of course the next 15 year trying to better your sound ..Never Ending...Remember going to Bryn Mawr Stereo 3 times in one day to get speakers that sounded really good ..Ended up with Mirage Bi Polar and had them for 30 years..Then saw advertisement for 45 days for tube amp and took me 3 months to pull plug and when it arrived I was shocked what I never heard out of a solid-state that come out of this and of course those 30 year old speakers had to go also..then sent back the tube amp to upgrade in 2019 and was even more impressed with detail never knew existed in the music I heard all those years..Then at 73 years old I made my final upgrade to higher end Amp and still more impressed...But there are days I play system and sure sounds nice but feels like its missing something but another week goes by it sounds beautiful.. Song selection and mood play big part of what we hear at a moment and a week or two or month later it comes together...Just not equipment it is our soul and how we feel at times just like food and how one day you eat something and eat it again you tire of it. Just take a break and breathe and try later.. PS I am going through this myself now on 6 yr old DAC that sounds beautiful but wonder if I am missing something with purchase of new one ..Never ending wondering what you will hear ?? |
My audio fascination started when I was around eight and my adult cousin put a pair of Olsen headphones on my head and I was hooked. I have since then bought and sold many components to get to the entry level system I'm now enjoying. I sometimes think I want these new speakers or that new amp, but I haven't pulled the trigger in years. The last audio purchase I made was buying a pair of 6 foot demo Kimber 4TC speaker cables for $40. |
I have been at it for a while, and go in and out of phases of engagement both with the gear end and the actual music end as well. At the end of the day I still love it and the discovery of new music takes me back to that wide eyed feeling of discovery that I experienced in 3rd grade when I got my first tapes. |
I'm in complete agreement with everything the OP brought up and have been for quite some time. From what I could glean from the many fine responses is that there's a lot more who feel the same way. That, and I learned a new word today, 'atelic'. Thanks @hilde45 for that one. All the best, |
After learning about room acoustics and seeing/hearing results firsthand, my obsession with this hobby completely disappeared. Since then I've broken a lot of audiophile 'rules', learned from the home theater community (who generally have more empirical discussions), and moved to a multi channel system (not home theater). 2 channel stereo is more like an instrument to me rather than ultimate sound reproduction. And with that goal gone, I can appreciate the restrictions/compromises made in designing a technologically simple but robust all analog system. |